Pablo Padrón Sanz – Radio Communication, Confidence & Lessons from the Cockpit

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00:01:22: yeah and Stefan you are the professional pilot who got a checklist ready on the cockpit And I hopefully hear in this studio.

00:01:29: My name is Jürgen Reis and i coach pilots in mental performance with special focus on assessment simulator sessions and training environments.

00:01:41: Today we have really really special podcast because We made it the number fifty.

00:01:47: Happy Birthday Aviation Quest DC!

00:01:49: Yeah, thank you Stefan also for your work.

00:01:52: It was quite a journey and fifty is... yeah we are looking forward to.

00:01:57: this really seems on good track to be our long-term project.

00:02:03: Yeah, fifty's pretty amazing.

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00:02:24: Are you again?

00:02:25: It's incredible.

00:02:27: I mean record this on August twentieth and yesterday i confirmed Christmas episode And also the newest episode is already set up, so this no spoiler alerts here.

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00:03:29: so in yeah, twenty-twenty

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00:03:33: Yeah exactly!

00:03:35: Amazing that... Who

00:03:36: had thought huh?

00:03:37: It's really I don't know.

00:03:38: yeah turned out like this.

00:03:40: Its crazy how many people have gotten into touch To ask to be under podcast.

00:03:46: pretty amazing stuff, but you know let's go back to the big five zero.

00:03:51: I think that a cool milestone That we should?

00:03:56: I don't know We should highlight of it because?

00:03:59: We talked about this before more in private.

00:04:03: A lot of people try podcasting and never get past ten.

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00:04:10: think

00:04:10: getting to fifty is already a cool achievement.

00:04:14: And obviously this is mostly down-to you, You are the guy...you know..You're the brains really behind your operation!

00:04:21: You run the whole thing and just show up and basically tell me what to do.

00:04:26: so yeah i think that congratulations it's mostly for you again.

00:04:32: Yeah, I'd say it's teamwork because thanks to you.

00:04:35: We are not only an audio cast Only quote-unquote we also on YouTube there is an aviation quest podcast.

00:04:45: so aviation desk Quest Podcast YouTube channel run by Stefan because he is so to say the master of youtube also better known as the FS clip.

00:05:00: It's a side channel that says aviation-quest podcast and you told me in private before records started that there is a special flight today in the so to say, the background video of our today's audio podcast.

00:05:17: Yeah I thought for episode fifty we have to do something a little bit special!

00:05:22: So i try to do real world flights and to do IS a real-world flight but uh very special one...so we are gonna be flying the Airbus A-three forty three hundred ...and we're going to be taking off from Cape Town in South Africa and we're going to be flying into the Antarctic, research facility, like a research station.

00:05:51: A scientific one called... And then they have big runway.

00:05:54: it's called Wolves Fang and essentially just you know.

00:05:57: they plowed the snow.

00:05:59: They put some flags into the ground.

00:06:02: that is their runway.

00:06:04: The E-three forty three hundred flies there and lands there.

00:06:08: So I thought would be really cool to recreate this flight.

00:06:11: It was quite long flight for six hours long.

00:06:15: the approach is really challenging because there's zero eights of course.

00:06:20: There are no puppies or nothing, no landing markers.

00:06:24: you just approach a white a white desert with some flags and of course there's no NDBs, no VORs.

00:06:32: There is nothing there.

00:06:33: And navigating on the South Pole it very difficult because you are so close to magnetic poles that almost all navigation systems in aircraft become useless you know, based on magnetic north and south.

00:06:50: So a lot of stuff going on but it was a lot fun.

00:06:54: I managed to land spoiler alert also because i wanted.

00:07:00: they have no facilities for a big aircraft to be fueled, so you have to take the fuel from both ways.

00:07:07: So you come in really heavy and you land on snow or ice.

00:07:12: it was cool!

00:07:13: It's an amazing flight very beautiful scenery.

00:07:16: actually on approach I thought this would Wow!

00:07:22: I

00:07:24: mean, it was on board of A-Series for a year back from America.

00:07:28: America... Homeworlds?

00:07:30: I don't know to....I think it was LA to Munich.. I'm not sure about this but i think It Was.

00:07:37: But landing on ice is something I didn't expect it.

00:07:44: It's yeah, okay?

00:07:46: Okay this you can do with an a-three to forty always thought special.

00:07:50: You know somehow special Air mini air.

00:07:53: three forty is a special aircraft.

00:07:55: nothing to take away from the L E. three forty

00:07:59: Yes.

00:08:00: Yeah, they... So it was a standby company called HiFly and HiFy operate for the government And They have flown The A-Tree-Forty and the A-tree-Thirty onto Antarctica Once the Government even sent a seven eight seven Dreamliner there.

00:08:22: So some really weird and wonderful aircraft have landed on this ice runway, which is really cool.

00:08:29: It was a lot of fun.

00:08:31: it took a lot preparation.

00:08:33: I spent several hours preparing making sure that understand everything reading up on navigating at the poles.

00:08:43: You know you have to fly with true track not magnetic track.

00:08:48: Cool stuff.

00:08:49: I think the listener will agree.

00:08:51: now, this project Aviation Quest to Sea it's a project that is teamwork and also thanks to Stefan today.

00:09:01: thank you for your great work on flight.

00:09:04: but what do you say?

00:09:05: should we step back so-to-say from snow & ice in Antarctica to sunny Spain?

00:09:13: Yes, let's talk about today's podcast.

00:09:16: Let's return to where I am into thirty eight degrees Celsius right now.

00:09:22: so yes we have a very special guest today and you decided to pick up Very particular topic And i'm glad You did because To me this is one of the topics in aviation that Is super important?

00:09:40: about enough.

00:09:42: And I have some really, there's somethings that always wind me up when i hear them.

00:09:48: so why don't you explain to the listeners who is here and what are talking about?

00:09:54: Yeah he was already in episode forty five and for episode fifty we're welcoming back commercial pilot Pablo Padron Sanz from Spain.

00:10:09: Pablo has completed his ATPL training and is now preparing for the next stage of his aviation career.

00:10:16: And this time, Stefan as you mentioned it's a special topic.

00:10:22: he brings us some great stories and practical lessons about radio communication confidence and learning from mistakes.

00:10:31: Exactly!

00:10:32: Radio communication super important.

00:10:36: There can be, there's so much margin for error and misunderstanding between traffic controllers and pilots.

00:10:45: So it always irks me when people

00:10:48: just

00:10:49: talk on the radio and don't stick to phraseologies And you know I find it very unprofessional.

00:10:57: Anyway we can talk about this afterwards.

00:11:00: Pablo goes into these things.

00:11:02: So I don't know, is there anything else we want to say before we jump in?

00:11:07: Jürgen and i will be back after the interview again with some more thoughts from my side.

00:11:14: I guess we can get started!

00:11:15: Anything for me outside Jürn?

00:11:18: Yeah...with your FS clips introduction without any further ado Stefan..I think We should jump right into main part of this fiftieth episode

00:11:28: Exactly.

00:11:29: And we will hear or see you after the interview, okay?

00:11:34: Enjoy

00:11:37: Pablo!

00:11:38: Welcome back to Aviation Quest CC.

00:11:40: Hello Jürgen Thank You very much.

00:11:42: First

00:11:42: of all thank you for a very professional link in breathing and it was not only... It was professional but also with touch of humor.

00:11:51: I had soo much fun preparing this interview.

00:11:53: i was looking forward for this afternoon.

00:11:56: thankyou for taking time with us

00:11:58: No worries.

00:11:59: Yeah, yeah there's some fun stories which I've had that are funny ones.

00:12:02: so hopefully

00:12:03: no spoiler alert here.

00:12:06: Last time we talked mainly about your aviation journey and today We're taking a practical look especially at something i think almost every pilot struggles miss in the beginning or At The Beginning radio communication.

00:12:20: Yes absolutely it is one of those things That A lot Of People I don't want to say scared, but they get a little bit nervous on the radio.

00:12:30: Of course They teach you from very early on in your career that communicating efficiently and using the correct phraseology is something that's very, very important.

00:12:41: So when you put it to practical use then we actually have to start communicating in a frequency full of traffic and air traffic control on everything.

00:12:49: It can be a little bit scary at first so something completely normal Something I want bring up also some stories for everyone That maybe they say A Little Bit nervous with this just so You Can see that even With experience absolutely everyone has gone through some embarrassing moments on the radio.

00:13:07: I mean certainly we learn something here but let's stay with you Pablo a little bit, i'm curious.

00:13:13: looking back what were your own biggest communication challenges during training?

00:13:20: Um...I think that most difficult part is trying to especially if crowded frequency, so where there is a lot of people talking at the same time trying to get your message through and Of course it has to be in an efficient way And then uh In a professional way But at the Same Time you cannot make It too slow because air traffic control has A Lot of work To do.

00:13:45: A lot of People need to communicate.

00:13:47: So I think for me something i struggled was Trying to find The sweet spot of getting the communication Through effectively and with everything I want to say, but at the same time not taking too long on a frequency.

00:14:00: uh it's to a point where other people maybe are yeah or may be trying to get their message through.

00:14:06: And you're not interrupting them but not taking up too long in the frequency.

00:14:10: i think that is my case was one of the difficult things.

00:14:14: It's true also, I came from a background where was using VATSIM and EVAL in Microsoft Flight Simulator.

00:14:21: That is something that will get...I'll talk about it later which the best tool you can have to practice communicating before doing this in real-world.

00:14:35: So when your there on real life of course the nerves come up.

00:14:45: Yeah, speaking of nerves and becoming comfortable how quickly did you become comfortable on the radio in real life?

00:14:52: Certainly

00:14:54: It actually happens much faster than then what I thought.

00:14:57: And even for all this to the students.

00:14:59: I've had they told me the same feedback that it feels like It's gonna take long to happen.

00:15:05: But honestly after you do your first two three flights and the instructor lets you communicate After.

00:15:11: yeah after i would say five, six hours of flying you start to become quite comfortable.

00:15:18: but this happens.

00:15:19: You become comfortable in the area where you're flying.

00:15:21: what happened then is that as soon as you Start navigating two other airports going into other environments Where?

00:15:29: The communication is still the same.

00:15:30: But you are not familiar with the airspace because you haven't been there before.

00:15:34: Um...you do struggle a little bit again..but Then just- you learn to get comfortable In any environment at one point.

00:15:40: so getting comfortable with your own communication, I think it happens quite fast.

00:15:45: But even experienced pilots for example if you a pilot that flies usually in Europe is very used to communicating in Europe but then the first time they go to USA their air traffic control goes much faster there are little bit more strict.

00:16:02: so you struggle a little bit and don't feel as comfortable when in your own home, environment.

00:16:10: So it's something that is very normal to happen.

00:16:12: first time maybe an IFR flight even though completely comfortable with all of the communications in VFR.

00:16:20: suddenly You start to maybe struggle a little bit at the beginning because you're put in any environment.

00:16:26: So yeah, and you get comfortable pretty quickly but then as soon they change the environment it kind of gets a little difficult again.

00:16:32: so It's just a matter being able to manage everything properly.

00:16:37: Next question I think is a little tricky.

00:16:39: one would also for me As a mental coach focusing on aviation without knowing specific details.

00:16:47: Maybe also you could come up with something like a nutshell answer, but what would you tell the student pilot who is nervous before every radio call?

00:16:57: What comes first to your mind?

00:17:01: The issue actually which it's why people get really nervous.

00:17:05: It's because of way they teach you how communicate.

00:17:09: is they tell you, okay.

00:17:10: You have to say this ,this and then these.

00:17:13: so it's kind of like...you get the feeling..the first time you communicate that you kind of have to read a script from

00:17:18: memory

00:17:19: And thats not how its should work.

00:17:22: What do I try think?

00:17:24: Is that....of course your going know things but it doesn't has be word by word.

00:17:28: Of course don´t get me wrong!

00:17:30: You have use standard free theology But I think the best concept is to try and say what you want to say, but not from a script.

00:17:39: Not exactly word by word because then what happens when you tried to memorize a script?

00:17:43: Is that if you mess up one word than suddenly get blocked on?

00:17:48: That's one of things that i think your struggle or students struggle quite a lot.

00:17:52: Suddenly they have in their minds What are going to stay in a script And Then When They Say One Word Wrong They Kind Of Freeze And They Leave Their Communication In Between And then instructor has to take over and finish the communication for them.

00:18:04: So a good tip is just think, OK what do you want to do?

00:18:08: What are your requesting?

00:18:09: And of course very important it's to say your call sign at the end and maintain everything as standard as possible.

00:18:15: so try to treat like professional communication which conversation more in a way, or a phrase that you could use.

00:18:27: In normal tone and speaking pace.

00:18:31: so not too fast nor to slow.

00:18:33: So instead of reading off the script try get your message through but without a strict speech.

00:18:41: I mean you also mentioned in your LinkedIn briefing, i talked about at the beginning of this interview that making mistakes is a normal part of learning Pablo.

00:18:51: Yes why?

00:18:51: Why it's so important to understand certainly especially when it comes to radio communication.

00:19:00: Well, this applies to radio communication of course but it also applies to any other aspect of flying.

00:19:06: Sure sure.

00:19:07: But as I said let's focus in a moment on the radio communication.

00:19:10: Yeah yeah sure.

00:19:11: so when you make a mistake maybe at the end of every communication usually You have to say your call sign.

00:19:21: Sometimes maybe you forget to say it or you forgot to say before and your instructor has to tell you, hey remember I have to say your course in the end.

00:19:29: So kind of... You hear what the instructor just corrected you on?

00:19:33: And you feel bad like oh I messed up a communication!

00:19:39: Yeah.. Like you messed up.

00:19:40: so i think that important thing here is As always, take the feedback.

00:19:44: Okay?

00:19:44: I have to say my call sign in the end and just correct it The next time you do it.

00:19:48: um It's not.

00:19:49: uh Honestly, it's not much more than that.

00:19:50: sounds sound fairly simple.

00:19:52: And uh, and you will forget again and you'll make another mistake Again.

00:19:56: and also the things with communication is that its You won't just make a mistakes speaking you'll Make a mistake Also Uh With the radio which frequency your speaking on Which?

00:20:06: i Will come back To this later On as well.

00:20:07: Um There Is A Lot Of Mistakes You Can Make With The Radio.

00:20:10: So The Important Thing Is That Once you make them, just try to avoid making them in the future.

00:20:15: But don't feel bad at the end of day it's not going to be... It is very difficult that a radio mistake will be critical but don't punish yourself for it!

00:20:27: Just think what did wrong and listen to your instructor corrects him next time around.

00:20:37: Hey Pablo, I mean some of the listeners will already be on top of their toes.

00:20:42: so to say hey Jürgen wasn't there something about stories and you have had fun in preparation?

00:20:48: And is maybe first communication story that outlines a little bit real-world or real flight scenario what you just pointed out.

00:21:01: Yeah So it's I think pretty much any pilot that you talk to has made a similar mistake or this mistake.

00:21:12: And in my case, well... This is of course at first the first time i started flying.

00:21:19: You are nervous on the radio and do stutter a little bit but all those are not really mistakes they're just getting used to the radio.

00:21:25: My first major mistake I remember was when I was flying solo.

00:21:28: I did a solo navigation in south Spain.

00:21:34: Well, just to put you a little bit in context.

00:21:37: In an aircraft we always have two radios.

00:21:39: on the first radio We are...we have the active frequency so usually we talk to the tower or if there is no tower To do other aircraft around you and air-to-air frequencies.

00:21:50: So it's like the main frequency that your talking about And then on second radio You'll see the emergency frequency which is one to one decimal five.

00:21:59: It something every pilot learns from beginning designated for emergencies and that every single aircraft usually is monitoring, so that means you're listening to it but not communicating on it.

00:22:12: So its a frequency when an emergency happens.

00:22:15: And in my case what I did as your probably maybe imagining now i had to change the frequency from one tower to another on main radio and accidentally press button to communicate on the emergency frequency.

00:22:30: I thought i was on the tower frequency and i always set my intentions.

00:22:35: so, uh i was requesting a descent And no one was answering.

00:22:39: So it's like what is going here?

00:22:46: airplane which heard me on the emergency frequency told me yeah that's the emergency-frequency buddy go on and change.

00:22:52: And

00:22:53: so suddenly I'm like oh no you feel a bit like a clown, you're just communicated.

00:22:59: everyone around in the area listen to my communication on an emergency frequency.

00:23:03: um...and What did I do after that?

00:23:08: Every single time, i'm changing frequency and communicating.

00:23:11: I am always double checking not doing it on the emergency frequencies.

00:23:16: So this one happens to you.

00:23:18: It feels a little bit ashamed.

00:23:21: Something happened pretty much.

00:23:25: any pilot is very common mistake not a critical one at all.

00:23:29: But yeah, it is something that you kind of after you do it just hit your head and say oh god what did I just do?

00:23:38: It's nice story which has happened to many people And its perfect example for the typical radio mistake that

00:23:47: it ever never heard.

00:23:55: I think this is really, This is awesome.

00:23:58: Wait for the

00:23:59: story about a possible birth issue?

00:24:02: Yes!

00:24:02: It turned out to be something very different.

00:24:04: This is really unique.

00:24:06: Can you tell us This

00:24:10: is actually someone, this is a story which honestly I learned to laugh myself at it for.

00:24:17: It was...this one was much worse than the emergency frequency one and i was flying in an air drum where there was no tower.

00:24:24: so when there's not power what we have to do is communicate air-to-air.

00:24:28: So that means that We are coordinating ourselves with other aircrafts.

00:24:31: There isn't just one person coordinating all of the traffic All of them speaking saying their intentions And were maintaining distance with each other, based on our own judgment.

00:24:41: And I was flying solo and doing touch-and-goes so practicing my landings or takeoffs.

00:24:48: The sun was quite low as well which when that happens obviously it's difficult to see For any person who has flown in a plane before birds is huge risk especially for general aviation.

00:25:02: A bird strike can be very significant.

00:25:08: someone sees a bird, you have to see it on the frequency so that all of traffic around is aware there are birds in this area.

00:25:16: In my case I was flying and usually birds spot them through your peripheral vision.

00:25:20: So sometimes you don't just see a black spot passing by on their peripheral vision.

00:25:27: That's what i saw.

00:25:30: worried because it is a major thing to see a bird in the big bird close to the airport.

00:25:34: So I reported to all traffic.

00:25:37: just for your information.

00:25:39: there's birds on downwind which are one of the legs of this circuit and i reported that first time, but then around five minutes later was finally about to land again.

00:25:53: so i reported And then there was one more time, I saw the bird again around ten minutes later and i reported it once again.

00:26:02: One of the traffic told me that's reporting birds.

00:26:05: can you confirm where they are because we don't see them?

00:26:07: So then I started thinking and uh, i started looking around And it turns out that what i was seeing Was not a bird.

00:26:13: It was actually A mosquito or fly That was inside of the cockpit Of the aircraft ,and i kept Seeing it just flash by my eye.

00:26:20: .And i thought it was a bird.

00:26:22: so Obviously i didn't say this on The frequency because..i wasn't going to tell them Nevermind!It was a mosquito.

00:26:27: But um but i was like wow...I Just spent the last twenty five minutes Reporting a bird ..that Wasn't a bird....it was just a fly Or musketa thats inside inside of the aircraft.

00:26:38: so yeah those

00:26:39: are things that happen but it's quite a unique story

00:26:45: for share.

00:26:45: In fact, that day I was recording with my GoPro in the plane and i was recording the audio as well.

00:26:52: so actually...I can look at it on video.

00:26:54: maybe we can share or add a link to something because It's in Spanish.

00:27:01: but still..it was my reaction when I realized there is a bird.

00:27:04: Its hilarious!

00:27:05: Because I just burst out laughing on myself.

00:27:09: I was flying solo too.

00:27:10: That one was fun story.

00:27:14: Did you have to spend the ground crew a dinner, Spanish dinner or something like this?

00:27:22: Paella party.

00:27:24: Yeah yeah no for sure it's one of the stories I told once in year we do big paella in flight school and yes...

00:27:32: It is quite unique story!

00:27:36: It was hilarious.

00:27:37: i never said on frequency that it wasn't mosquito because but yeah, it wasn't a useful communication then.

00:27:47: But anyways I'm glad that what i was seeing is not a bird to be honest in the end.

00:27:51: so that's a funny

00:27:53: one.

00:27:54: What did you about communication and situational awareness overall Pablo?

00:28:04: Well this specific scenario...I think its very isolated situation where that circumstance happens again.

00:28:13: First of all, it's a very small plane.

00:28:15: you have to be unlucky enough to get a mosquito or fly inside sun was slow as well.

00:28:19: I was flying one of my first solo flights.

00:28:21: so its alot of factors which are not likely to happen again.

00:28:26: but um... One thing i do now in order to prevent this is until Im not sure if im seeing the bird and danger i dont communicate If I think i've seen it or if you think, but your not a hundred percent sure weight.

00:28:47: And this is to avoid people worrying about something that's not there.

00:28:51: But its also to avoid blocking the frequency with unnecessary communications That are not useful in that scenario.

00:29:00: So not something likely to happen again.

00:29:06: I do confirm before i report something like that on a busy frequency.

00:29:11: This is quite useful and an important takeaway also for the podcast listeners.

00:29:17: certainly, let's continue with the fun.

00:29:24: it was too much to stop the fun you mentioned in your LinkedIn briefing hearing some amusing radio misunderstandings from other pilots, you know without any names and no everything anonymous here.

00:29:40: but do we have a favorite example?

00:29:43: Yes, I do.

00:29:44: And this one didn't happen to me but i did hear it on the radio.

00:29:47: all of the instructors heard in on a radio as well and It was absolutely hilarious.

00:29:53: Basically what's happening is that its first solo for students.

00:29:58: so it was his first time flying solo.

00:30:03: Just putting context into everyone In an aircraft, usually the push-to talk button which is that you have to press in order to communicate.

00:30:11: It's on a yoke so it's right behind the controls.

00:30:14: So what happens quite alot of times students?

00:30:17: when they're going for their first solo They are quite nervous and grabbing on your control pretty hard.

00:30:22: What this leads sometimes Is accidentally pressing the Push To Talk Button Which is something thats little bit dangerous because When someone communicating on frequency they're blocking the frequency.

00:30:34: No one else can speak on it except the person that's pressing the push to talk button.

00:30:38: so this was a student, and just before takeoff he accidentally pressed the push-to-talk button which means everyone is hearing what happened inside of the aircraft.

00:30:51: This student was very nervous for the solo talking to himself and he started saying, I forgot.

00:30:58: Well his name...I'm not gonna say it but imagine his name was Jack.

00:31:13: He's just there talking to himself, pressing the push-to-talk button.

00:31:28: So in this case it was a matter of nerves.

00:31:31: usually you don't press the Push To Talk Button unless you purposely do but It can happen and always try to remain calm And try to notice if your blocking the frequency.

00:31:41: so A good tip for This is that when You look at the radio on pretty much any aircraft If it says TX or Rx, it means that you sorry if its as TX.

00:31:55: It means that your are communicating.

00:31:57: so ya have to make sure on the radio is not showing this.

00:32:01: because then in some way you're communicating in a frequency.

00:32:05: So just double check the radio and make sure thats uh...that you're not communicating.

00:32:10: Because then..some people accidentally hear if you're talking to yourself in the cockpit, which by the way I've done a lot of people do it.

00:32:18: You talk to yourself sometimes but yeah...you don't want everyone to hear what your telling yourselves?

00:32:24: Usually not really no!

00:32:26: But usually doesn't hurt..but In this case certainly It is confusing and also Not The Way To Do It with positive affirmations and self-talk over the radio.

00:32:41: As I said, it's maybe not the best way to do.

00:32:45: Yeah and then also when this student finished his flight he came out of plane... ...and everyone just started jogging around with him.

00:32:51: He was like oh what is your day in the end?

00:32:52: or wasn't that your day?

00:32:53: You never make making fun of him you know But off course in a nice way.

00:32:58: And we told them about happened.

00:32:59: Then he laughed quite alot.

00:33:01: His solo went really well.

00:33:04: So yeah It was quite funny story.

00:33:10: Have you noticed that experience pilots still make mistakes on the radio?

00:33:14: And maybe also what are in your opinion, the main reasons for it.

00:33:19: Yes constantly and not only pilot's also air traffic control is something you have to be aware of.

00:33:35: They still make mistakes communicating.

00:33:37: Now, what's very important I think is that You you understand that you're gonna make mistakes but also That your always trying to maintain a good professional and efficient communication even if it's an area where you are completely comfortable Even if its If you've done the you flown into that airport hundreds of times?

00:34:05: complacency, which is also one of the keywords that leads to mistakes in aviation.

00:34:10: Don't let that complacency make you make a mistake.

00:34:14: and for professional pilots experience pilots... One in the world there's huge language barriers.

00:34:21: So when you're flying into a country where maybe the controller is not completely fluent in English or has some words which can be a little bit confusing, there is six iCOW languages, so that means that there are six different languages which are certified to be used under radio communication around the world.

00:34:47: When you're Spanish for example as one of them... So when you fly into a Spanish airport if you don't speak the language You'll hear everyone communicating in Spanish pretty much!

00:34:56: That's also not something very favorable because it kind of leads you outside of the loop.

00:35:04: What that means is even if they're not communicating to you, listening what other people are saying between eachother it's also very helpful for your own situational awareness.

00:35:14: Maybe someone is reporting birds in the area and they aren't telling them but they report this to somebody

00:35:19: else...

00:35:20: But its good for you know!

00:35:21: And when their'e speaking a different language sometimes.. It is a disadvantage because there isn´t understanding everything thats going on around us.

00:35:30: That language barrier is something that happens to even the most experienced pilots nowadays and yeah, it's something which you have to try and avoid.

00:35:41: What practical tips would you give pilots who want improve their radio confidence?

00:35:47: So maybe your top three tips!

00:35:50: I think in any aspect of life its the most important thing is practice.

00:35:57: Now of course you might think, oh but when I'm not practicing or flying sorry how can i practice?

00:36:05: And there is amazing tools like for example like I said VATSIM and EVAL which are websites where you can connect to your flight simulator.

00:36:14: And practice communicating in them so that's going to lead it to being most confident.

00:36:21: You're gonna make a lot mistakes Which is really good because When avoid those mistakes happening again in the future.

00:36:29: So yeah, so practice I'd say is that it's the number one key point.

00:36:36: Number two i would say Is being able and this a big mistake.

00:36:41: That especially happens at the beginning.

00:36:44: A lot of student pilots Are not concentrated on the radio unless they are speaking or They're speaking to them So they're kind of ignoring everything that's going on, aside from their own communications.

00:36:57: And the radio is vital for your personal use and instructions but it also very important to listen to everything around you because this gives a huge situational awareness.

00:37:11: In my case The first airport I started flying had no air traffic control.

00:37:17: It was what we call Unicom Airport.

00:37:20: I explained before, it's when you're flying air-to-air so your communicating with everyone else.

00:37:25: So its very important that you are listening to make sure of where everybody is at all times what every one doing the dangers around their airport.

00:37:34: My number two tip is listen to everything going on even if communication isn't for you or regarding your flight.

00:37:47: And third try and force yourself to not speak fast.

00:37:52: And this one sounds quite obvious, it's a problem which I had quite a lot and good tip for these is that when you're speaking slower than... When It feels like your speaking slow yourself You are speaking at the perfect pace.

00:38:06: because when you communicating um..you feel That you think Your speaking fine but since your nervous you speak faster then should so try force yourself to speak slower than you would usually and that usually leads to you speaking at the perfect speed.

00:38:23: And especially this happens because a lot of people around the world think that speaking fast on the radio makes you look more professional or it makes you sound cooler, but no not at all.

00:38:37: in fact its completely opposite.

00:38:41: Having to ask to say again, which is more time that you're taking up in the frequency It's gonna it can lead to misunderstanding.

00:38:47: So speaking fast does not make you sound more professional Does not make your better pilot?

00:38:53: It's just honestly its counterproductive.

00:38:55: so try to Not obviously speak very very slow but for You must feel a little bit slow In order to speak at the perfect pace.

00:39:04: I think this would be my number three tip

00:39:08: great advices.

00:39:10: And yeah, one of the last topics I want to cover here because I was curious about it Because you really outlined on your LinkedIn briefing You gave me what role do humility and humor play in aviation?

00:39:31: Pablo this is something not usual.

00:39:34: I'm Curious Yes, so

00:39:38: this is something which I brought up because it's something that has helped me a lot when It comes to making mistakes.

00:39:45: So we said it on part one.

00:39:47: We mentioned again today Mistakes are part of the training and its an essential part Of The Training And there're two ways in Which you can take A mistake.

00:39:55: One Is To Just Feel Really Bad About Yourself.

00:39:59: Try To Make An Excuse For Why You Made A Mistake.

00:40:02: Try To...and i've done it!

00:40:04: I made excuses for a mistake That I have made.

00:40:07: Because yeah, for me at first I thought it wasn't my mistake.

00:40:12: It was something else that made me do the mistakes.

00:40:15: That's a way you can take it.

00:40:16: So to feel bad and try blaming on someone else is really negative because what your preventing yourself from making this mistake again next time If you think its due to somebody else think inside and fix the next time.

00:40:32: You're just, you're not going to do anything about

00:40:34: it.".

00:40:34: So that's-that's the main

00:40:36: one!

00:40:37: And uh... That's what a lot of the main mistake which people make?

00:40:40: What we have to try and do is this why I brought up the humor Is when there's mistakes, which maybe you cannot joke about because they are more serious.

00:40:51: But most mistakes is something that happens to everyone and sometimes it's good to kind of laugh at yourself like oh wow why did I do that?

00:40:59: And take it in a positive way Because this makes me realize that you've done it yourself Which means that your gonna fix the next time around.

00:41:09: It makes you have a good feeling inside of you instead of being angry at yourself about a mistake You've made.

00:41:15: You're just like wow, this is how did I do that?

00:41:18: And i think in my case for example the bird was a perfect example.

00:41:21: I could have easily gone and said no but it's uh The fly made me think it was a bird and it's not my fault No.

00:41:27: But Instead I Just laughed and I thought Wow Pablo How-how Did you manage to think...you know..You just kind of laugh at Yourself and This Is Really Good because Get out of the airplane thinking that you've had a bad day.

00:41:41: You get outta the plane, thinkin' that you have really fun memory and... Of course I'm mistake but.. A mistake which can laugh at yourself all- Story?

00:41:50: An aviation story where we share what's left in our life

00:41:54: Exactly!

00:41:55: And i am sure im gonna have many more like this.

00:41:58: So yeah so thats why i brought up humor because i think humor is very, very important.

00:42:04: when you make a mistake to take it and its an essential part in order are an important mistake.

00:42:13: Sometimes there's no place for humor, so I'm not saying make a joke out of every single mistake you make!

00:42:17: Of course be professional about it.

00:42:19: but when its this mistake that is really not that important.

00:42:22: don't bring yourself down just try to think.

00:42:25: ok this happened.

00:42:26: laugh a little bit after the flight and it will help your lot in making mistakes again and enjoy having good time even while doing things right.

00:42:40: Great, great.

00:42:41: Great answer on a great episode.

00:42:43: Yeah I mean to sum it up here little bit.

00:42:45: if listeners remember only one thing from today's episode Pablo what should be?

00:42:53: Well It should be that communicating and aviation is essential.

00:42:59: You will make a lot of mistakes doing at the beginning To try an remain calm when you're communicating.

00:43:07: remember not speak too fast, practice as much you can.

00:43:12: You have all the tools that you have around.

00:43:14: use them wisely be resourceful in order to try and be a good communicator on the flight deck.

00:43:22: And also I would say maybe not confuse a fly with a bird.

00:43:26: That's is a good one they could take home.

00:43:30: Yeah certainly speaking of communication Is there anyone who'd like to thank?

00:43:37: Last but not least certainly your time, plug yourself.

00:43:41: I mean where can people communicate or plug with you?

00:43:45: also the social media account of yours?

00:43:47: Maybe there is.

00:43:49: anyway we will share this episode on LinkedIn and maybe there's a way that yeah We'll talk about it afterwards.

00:43:58: We debrief here after

00:44:00: the broadcast.

00:44:00: But who can find the incredible bird?

00:44:06: quote unquote video and more.

00:44:08: Yes, I will look for the video in order to link it.

00:44:12: Um...I do have it somewhere.

00:44:13: like i said It's in Spanish but uh The reaction is doesn't have a language.

00:44:19: The reaction you can laugh at it Doesn't matter what language You speak.

00:44:23: And then also another thing which I wanted To bring up Is on Ival.

00:44:27: For everyone that That doesn't know What it is Its Aiveo I think you pronounce In English.

00:44:31: its Like Vaxim But has little bit less traffic and sometimes as an air traffic controller and sometimes with students I have, i connect on uh...as an air-traffic controller on airports which are not that crowded.

00:44:45: And I used to do that with my student in order to help them with communication so they get a little bit more comfortable speaking before maybe flying on larger airports.

00:44:57: Yeah, I think maybe if we can link some sort of contact.

00:45:01: Maybe my Instagram or something so that sometimes students they text me and i connect as an air traffic controller And I practice some comes with them just to get a little bit comfortable.

00:45:12: So I think may be we could also do something like this.

00:45:14: Absolutely, I mean you can send us all the links and information.

00:45:18: And your handles them whatever in.

00:45:20: we put them at the end of the podcast teaser so people will find him at the very end.

00:45:26: if he scroll down that these are there view will find Pablo.

00:45:30: Pablo direct links

00:45:32: perfect sounds good

00:45:35: Yeah, and I mean speaking of thank you Pablo as a personal.

00:45:38: Thank You for joining us again.

00:45:42: Another mental performance coaching voucher yeah?

00:45:45: I mean you have decades of aviation career in front of you And there's always.

00:45:50: There is no exploration date No obligation and you can use it whenever you may be helped.

00:45:56: Yeah Whenever maybe helpful Perfect, you're

00:45:59: gonna really appreciate it.

00:46:01: as always is the second time but I also want to thank You for this opportunity.

00:46:06: I mean i absolutely love being here and yeah As always thanks.

00:46:10: It's been an absolute pleasure To speak with you.

00:46:17: All right, and we are back.

00:46:19: What a nice interview!

00:46:20: Very interesting really funny stories that I can relate to.

00:46:24: i think We've all had those moments where we did something stupid on the radio.

00:46:30: It still happens today even after thousands of hours On The Airlines.

00:46:36: You know sometimes you just push the button and pull up something out that you shouldn't be saying.

00:46:42: But of course, uh... The most important thing is this should always be very professional.

00:46:49: I guess you also had to do radio work right when you were flying Jürgen?

00:46:53: Yeah but really easy going.

00:46:56: Also in German it was a low-clear field hotel by the way for anybody who wants research a little bit my neighborhood airport airfield here and I flew to motor gliders and the gliders.

00:47:13: And yeah it's really, certainly not comparable to ATC operation on an international Airport.

00:47:27: Yeah, but I think you should always... You shouldn't ever underestimate how important it is.

00:47:32: No no!

00:47:33: Also there the SSH had your fixed phraseology But yeah It was down to the bare minimums.

00:47:43: Yeah, exactly.

00:47:44: But even so everything has to be as you said.

00:47:48: also there You know you have to report the whole chart and when you enter the runway And certainly if there is...you have a take-off clearance and a landing clearance I mean in yeah.

00:48:02: Also little mistakes can happen.

00:48:05: I was always aware that radio communication should be professional, it is.

00:48:11: And I think Pablo if you listen to this from my side thank you once again for your time and for sharing your stories and experiences so openly!

00:48:20: It's great having a back on the show and yeah Stephanie Furlau already a little spoiler of our listeners.

00:48:29: part three with Pablo has been recorded And so you'll definitely hear more from him on AviationQuest to see.

00:48:38: Exactly, yes!

00:48:41: We will obviously... You know..you will hear when he's back we'll talk about it and there'd be an announcement and all that stuff.

00:48:49: So yeah interesting topic.

00:48:50: I could talk for a long time about this but i think you've covered everything in the interview.

00:48:56: Like I said at the beginning of the podcast It is bit of a pet you know, per tape of mine.

00:49:06: When people just talk without sticking to the radio physiology I'm not a fan of that.

00:49:13: also when I fly into smaller airport as big airliner and somebody says something very important like I've seen a drone or some thing they don't think speak English.

00:49:26: say it in their native language with which i dont speak Again, something I don't like.

00:49:33: If this is an important information you know there's an airline on the frequency with a crew that only speaks English.

00:49:40: You know please speak English.

00:49:42: we need to know these things but anyway It's.

00:49:45: it's a whole topic.

00:49:46: one day i'm gonna make a video about This and it's going to turn into A big rant.

00:49:51: Shall We move On To The Thing That?

00:49:56: Yeah, I mean first things.

00:49:58: First we have a photo again also the podcast.

00:50:02: fifty We received a photo by Pablo and this will be published on LinkedIn channel I mentioned in the intro.

00:50:12: this is as i said my private side, private professional site.

00:50:16: you will find it.

00:50:17: As i said we can find a direct link to show notes and This will be there with linkedin version of teaser on Tuesday afternoon.

00:50:27: And today is Thursday And just twenty minutes ago, another LinkedIn article went online.

00:50:34: So this is every Thursday.

00:50:37: I'm still working everyday in the moment on my mental coaching syllabus for aviation professionals.

00:50:43: This is so to say my internal framework For the mental performance coachings and there's a freebie of these syllabus that are put together with picture or an image on LinkedIn every Thursday afternoon usually around three p.m.

00:51:02: so this is the LinkedIn stuff.

00:51:05: and yeah, it leads us quite into the thing we are really... you don't have to like us just give Pablo a thumbs up maybe an ice comment or would be nice Stefan

00:51:22: Exactly, you know the drill for all this stuff.

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00:51:32: And yeah, there's lots of cool people that are coming and have been on already.

00:51:37: if this is the first podcast your listening to You might wanna scroll back.

00:51:43: we've had some really cool guests already on.

00:51:46: so Yeah I think it is worth a subscription.

00:51:50: It's only a mouse click.

00:51:53: We've had Some interesting people with interesting topics that sometimes had a lot of, how can I put this?

00:52:03: A lot of wisdom in terms of aviation.

00:52:08: Speaking of wisdom just yesterday afternoon... coaching, a private coaching with an American pilot and I quoted you in the podcast.

00:52:17: It just said...I was not aware of which podcast it was but also Stefan gave me lot of wisdom on our podcast especially early episodes where so to say two of

00:52:32: us.

00:52:32: That's cool!

00:52:34: So yeah let's align this plane.

00:52:36: oh nice Like we said, thank you always.

00:52:42: first of all.

00:52:42: Thank you for all the guests!

00:52:43: Thank you to everyone who takes time to speak with us

00:52:48: and

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00:52:49: We are super grateful And really appreciate it.

00:52:53: Of course a big THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO'S LISTENING.

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00:53:07: What can I say?

00:53:10: Amazing achievement, Jürgen.

00:53:12: That's all from me!

00:53:14: We hope to have you back soon for episode fifty-one and maybe we'll have your bike for episode one hundred right Jürg?

00:53:25: Yeah two last things from my side, so speaking of the coachings.

00:53:30: The easiest way to contact with me is also linked in or email address aviation at aviationquest.cc.

00:53:37: this leads you directly to me and certainly the first contact and setup call is absolutely free without any obligations.

00:53:47: we have a discord server thanks to Stefan.

00:53:51: there are his FS clips Discord server and there is a subcategory which is covering the podcast.

00:53:59: And also, by the way you will find Pablo's image or direct link to my linked articles about mental performance side I just mentioned.

00:54:14: Yeah Stefan!

00:54:14: I really think it's teamwork here.

00:54:17: You're right, the next episodes we are worth a subscription.

00:54:21: There is lot of stuff going on.

00:54:23: stay in line afterwards.

00:54:25: We have to have plan here for the next intros and outro And by the way there will be also in future episode where Stefan sharing his wisdom with us.

00:54:36: Okay!

00:54:39: I tell you Stefan Fifty episodes and looking forward for many, many more with great guests.

00:54:46: And also thank you Pablo for being today our so to say fifties anniversary guest

00:54:54: Exactly!

00:54:55: So Thank You To Everyone and yeah hope to have your back soon.

00:54:59: bye-bye aviation-quest.cc.

00:55:14: We appreciate your time and support, And we'd love to have you back for the next episode.

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