Training Future Airline Pilots – Insights from Aimal Sherzoy

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00:00:46: Hello and welcome!

00:00:48: This is AviationQuestTC the weekly aviation & flight siming podcast.

00:00:54: My name is Stefan.

00:00:56: I'm one of your hosts, but of course i'm not on my own.

00:00:59: we have a professional podcaster here the only person who actually knows what's going on.

00:01:04: Jürgen how are you?

00:01:06: Thank you it's an endless summer as we record this into an auto.

00:01:10: and yeah Stefan You're the professional A-Street-Twenty pilots pilot hopefully.

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00:01:17: You fly a lot a lot of tourists all over Europe in the moment.

00:01:21: The holiday makeup pilot And I am Jürgen Reis and I coach Ballets in Metal Performance helping them prepare for assessments, simulator sessions.

00:01:32: and other demanding training environment.

00:01:35: Yeah, in speaking of demanding environments this summer is really one its kind but when the podcast is online it's already October so there should be more on the Moritz side.

00:01:51: It's amazing!

00:01:52: But amazing podcasts, amazing summers... It could be worse.

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00:02:00: it's very hot!

00:02:03: I'm a summer person and also today we have an amazing podcast guest.

00:02:12: so let us leave you like this...

00:02:15: Exactly.

00:02:16: So for those of you who are new to the podcast, Jürgen is usually the one that performs interviews with our guests and today's no exception.

00:02:27: as always we're very thankful.

00:02:29: anyone takes time come into a podcast.

00:02:33: so yeah I'm gonna leave introduction to Jürghen.

00:02:37: why wasn't there in an interview?

00:02:39: or listen afterwards?

00:02:41: And so we will then listen to the interview and then Jürgen, I'll be back with some more thoughts.

00:02:46: That's the plan for today!

00:02:49: So yeah like Jürgens said very special guests a very interesting person With lots of wisdom especially those who are planning on becoming an airline pilot.

00:03:02: Why don't you introduce our guest again?

00:03:05: Todays guest is Einmal Scherzall from Denmark A YASSA commercial pilot flight instructor and compliance auditor.

00:03:14: And his works gives him a close-up view

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00:03:18: how aspiring pilots develop from students into aviation professionals, I think Stefan was really yeah very insightful conversation!

00:03:29: We talked about flight instruction safety culture compliant situational awareness.

00:03:35: What separates exceptional students from the rest?

00:03:39: Stefan, I think it's really for aspiring pilots especially European one.

00:03:44: It is another episode maybe a must-have.

00:03:47: listened twice!

00:03:50: Yeah i agree very good stuff in there lots of helpful tips and tricks how to prepare and how to develop the correct mindset.

00:03:59: what actually?

00:04:01: that airlines are looking for new people to join the team.

00:04:07: So if you are in that situation, but I mean, to be honest with you, I'm not in that position and already flying from an airline?

00:04:14: I still find it interesting these topics because... It just takes me back to my days when I was at flight school.

00:04:23: And its also really interesting here sort of on other side Because i am not in recruitment or training Just a normal line pilot.

00:04:34: I think this is really for everyone, but especially if you are thinking about becoming a professional airline pilot or an airline pilot.

00:04:43: There's a lot of good stuff there.

00:04:46: Hey, and besides being a professional pilot Stefan you are also a professional and well-known YouTuber.

00:04:54: I think i can say it like this And our podcast is usually an audio cast.

00:05:00: so its on Spotify Apple Podcasts Amazon Podcasts, Podcast Addict and Bodici but also at YouTube Thanks to Stefan's work there not only his main channel FS Clips Also Our Yes, this was the name.

00:05:19: Aviation-Quest podcast under this name can be found on YouTube and you told me before interview it seems your PC struggles maybe also with heat.

00:05:32: a little bit is in moment of lightsim production, but luckily enough the flight today which is so to say a background picture of YouTube version.

00:05:46: It's already recorded.

00:05:47: and where did you flew?

00:05:49: Is it real-world flight?

00:05:52: Yes I did!

00:05:53: Today we go back to United States of America.

00:05:57: We fly one my all time favorite aircraft the MD-Eleven in FedEx colors And we are flying a flight that FedEx does quite a lot.

00:06:07: I think there are several flights every day from Los Angeles to Seattle, so it's a really nice flight.

00:06:14: Wow!

00:06:15: Very beautiful scenery very nice arrival and i think for once i managed you do a decent landing with the MD-Eleven.

00:06:24: something... Something i really struggle uh..

00:06:28: To bring the diva down.

00:06:30: to bring the diva down.

00:06:31: Yeah, like I said before she's amazing.

00:06:34: i love her but the biggest...she has one big fault and that's that she is not an airbus!

00:06:39: But anyway uh so yeah that's The Flight.

00:06:41: you can watch it whilst you listen to the podcast And there we have something to look at.

00:06:49: West Coast, this is really especially in the older flights in versions.

00:06:54: This was often one of most amazing sceneries and definitely was just wandering back memory lane here seven four hundred times etc...this is really the LA area and also Seattle certainly deep place for aviators.

00:07:14: But yeah, today brings us certainly to the podcast back to The Netherlands.

00:07:20: And what do you think Stefan?

00:07:22: Should we open again with the main part like yourself in FS clips without any further ado?

00:07:31: Yes!

00:07:31: Without any further adieu let's jump into the interview and Jürgen & I will be back afterwards.

00:07:38: okay enjoy.

00:07:42: Well, today we are joined by Aymar Scherzoy a flight instructor from Denmark who works with aspiring airline pilots.

00:07:50: Aymal welcome to aviation quest DC!

00:07:53: Hello Jürgen thank you very much.

00:07:55: Thank You.

00:07:56: I'm happy to be here and finally get the chance to talk in person.

00:08:01: It's your very first podcast And thank you for that very professional breathing via LinkedIn.

00:08:07: it was really a pleasure To come up is great questionnaire because of yeah Together with your anyway super professional LinkedIn profile, the messages you have sent me.

00:08:18: thank you for perfect preparation.

00:08:21: Thank you for invitation Jürgen.

00:08:23: I'm happy to be here.

00:08:24: pleasure is all mine and i'm happy too.

00:08:28: uh enlighten some of your audiences your listeners who are maybe thinking or have a dream of becoming a pilot.

00:08:36: just give them a little bit information what they can expect from pilot training And what are they waiting for?

00:08:45: There's a lot of myths about pilot training and pilot education.

00:08:52: Let us hope some of your listeners will get some information, then enjoy the podcast!

00:08:58: But if you allow me once let start with you.

00:09:01: I mean we record this on a Sunday.

00:09:04: It's June the fourteenth and tomorrow is Monday.

00:09:07: Give us a little bit of view into your life as flight instructor, what's typically big like for you right now?

00:09:17: Well let me start with thing that one of the myths about being a pilot.

00:09:26: if you become a pilot then always away from family which can be true to some people.

00:09:33: But then you can also be a pilot and work as flight instructor, And your home every day with family in kids if you prioritize that.

00:09:44: So life of the flight instructor depends on which company or how we worked but I have the privilege to having the base very close where i live.

00:09:56: it's forty minutes drive and work five days per week And I'm basically home every night with my kids, and it is a pleasure to do like work-with your dream job flying.

00:10:14: Then help other people then be still at home with the wife and kids.

00:10:20: that works perfectly for me.

00:10:23: Of course we have sometimes if you get stranded in another country generally in Europe, to European countries most of them and if we get stranded then that might not make it home but the ninety-nine percent at a time.

00:10:41: We are home which is a great thing!

00:10:43: And yeah tomorrow I have work day...I have three lessons with some students on different levels.

00:10:55: so looking forward.

00:10:59: Sounds like a nine to five job with regular work days, but there's a lot of time in the air.

00:11:06: In your dream job?

00:11:07: Yeah that is correct That's correct.

00:11:10: well then company I worked for they have They have different work hours.

00:11:17: you think it can be from six till eighteen Nine two five depending on your contract II It.

00:11:26: I work Normally late start late around the four noon, ten thirty or eleven sometimes at noon and then I work till late.

00:11:37: So i have a good chance to spend a good time with my kids in the morning And Have just calm morning without rushing things Bring them bringing them into the kindergarten so we do proper breakfast Then having some good time of kids And then I go to work and my wife starts early because she comes home early.

00:12:07: She picks the kid from kindergarten early so that kids have shorter time in their kindergartens, more with parents Because we both are working full-time.

00:12:21: Me & My Wife went with two small kids.

00:12:24: We had to manage it this way Works perfect for us and me as well, so all is good.

00:12:36: The next is your flight instructor and a compliance auditor.

00:12:41: I learned how do those roles fit together?

00:12:46: Well that actually started when one of my colleagues wanted to have the training For becoming an audit, you have to have the license and necessary training for that.

00:13:05: And in compliance one of the rules are... You're not allowed by law to audit part of your organization which is responsible.

00:13:29: They needed an auditor and compliance auditor that was not part of the maintenance program or maintenance department.

00:13:43: But still had knowledge about aircrafts, flyings and safety.

00:13:51: because mechanics are not allowed to do their own internal audits I got this opportunity to get my license and start the older thing.

00:14:08: And initially, you don't have a good idea about how to do an audit but later on... You actually become very good at it!

00:14:18: It's actually ...I love it because you are part of team that makes aviation safer and you learn so much about the other side of the industry that normally, the pilots do not know much.

00:14:36: The enormous work behind each aircraft or airworthy... ...the hard-worked mechanics are going through in law.

00:14:47: under regulation they have to follow to make sure every aircraft is safe airworthy and doesn't fail or has any problems, it requires a lot of work which normally the pilots maybe do not know too much about because we just go to the aircraft.

00:15:10: Do a quick walk around then jump in and trust the maintenance department that they have provided us with an Air Worthy aircraft part of a team that makes sure.

00:15:27: That the maintenance is doing their job as required by law and regulation, it's actually for me was very educational And I enjoy it alot.

00:15:43: It made become even better pilot.

00:15:48: that are understanding of laws and regulation in other departments.

00:15:53: And I'm also happy to discuss the things with the mechanics, our maintenance department.

00:16:03: how make flights even safer?

00:16:07: For example when an engine is running for a certain amount manufacturer, what are its road tax or whatever engine it is.

00:16:21: Then they have to go through a fifty hours check hundred hour's check and then after a certain time They had to make like an overhaul.

00:16:30: in the company I work we actually do not overhaul engines We just scrap them.

00:16:36: We just throw them away And instead of refurbishing the engines.

00:16:46: Also, it's not that we have to do in this way.

00:16:50: It costs more for the organization and company at work.

00:16:54: but because those engines are used by a training aircraft is actually put into a stretch much more compared with an aircraft only used on commuting.

00:17:14: depending on the type of operation.

00:17:17: The maintenance needs to be adjusted and I'm happy to discuss that, help with colleagues from the Maintenance Department.

00:17:27: We

00:17:27: will make some deep dive into safety culture later in the interview.

00:17:32: but before we jump onto the main part which is certainly how... Let's stay.

00:17:40: one last question.

00:17:42: Before we come from you to the others or students of future students, allow me one last personal question What made you leave medical studies and choose aviation?

00:17:56: I

00:17:58: can see that my LinkedIn profile.

00:18:03: I am sorrow with my preparation, this is you right?

00:18:08: That's correct actually.

00:18:12: well i have so many family members that are doctors of medicine including my brother and uncles cousins And I had always this dream of becoming a pilot.

00:18:36: I was fascinated by flying, by machines that are heavier and then can stay in the air even if...I think i would like at age four.

00:18:46: Then it's just curious about flights and the flying itself.

00:19:03: And that curiosity kind of built up, I really wanted to become a pilot but circumstances... ...and also I live and work in Denmark But originally am actually born in Afghanistan.

00:19:29: Back then when was done with my high school, I wanted to become a pilot.

00:19:34: The situations in Afghanistan were not very good and aircrafts weren't safe And the only way you could get your pilot license through military.

00:19:47: My family never wanted me to be involved anyway into military.

00:19:53: Then this kind of guided me.

00:19:59: aviation is not safe in this country.

00:20:01: and then we don't want to join the military, become a pilot.

00:20:07: The next big stop was okay your uncle he's a doctor of medicine than you very respected person so good job will pay which actually true.

00:20:17: but back when I said ok i started that medicine faculty and studied I actually got a scholarship to went, when to Turkey.

00:20:32: To study the medicine there.

00:20:35: but i felt it was not for me every day.

00:20:38: I was despite... It was very interesting and learned a lot of new things.

00:20:44: And knowing that you're helping human being in need and pain is actually very motivating.

00:20:54: But and more falling in love with aviation.

00:21:00: And then I got to a point when i said, okay now I have to follow my own dreams and yeah figure that out maybe... Maybe I can come back to the medicine if it doesn't work.

00:21:18: but once I flew for the first time and hold this stick off of aircraft point of no return for me, I would never go back to the medicine studies and worked hard too.

00:21:33: To save some money to pay from my education which i did here in Denmark And yeah... Here I am after ten years.

00:21:44: So you made your dream come true?

00:21:46: You're thirty-eight now.

00:21:49: The next question is a big one.

00:21:51: I'm all.

00:21:52: we had a little technical hiccup here, but now you're back.

00:21:56: And you were in the middle of answering huge question how does somebody become an airline pilot today?

00:22:04: In June twenty-twenty six as we record this and you were just explaining us that flight school flight instructor there is much more than the exams.

00:22:14: Yes!

00:22:15: That's correct.

00:22:18: The licenses are actually just make you qualify to join or apply for a job in an airline, but what gets your job is more than your license.

00:22:35: My advice for the people who have dream of becoming a pilot and stay disciplined, build some good habits early on at the early stages.

00:22:54: And accept feedback while they started their education and go through training, accept feedback develop strong communication skills then focus on continuous improvement.

00:23:10: that is how you become a competent airline ready pilot from the beginning.

00:23:20: What makes your point or personal view a good instructor?

00:23:27: A good instructor... Oh, that's a big question as well!

00:23:35: A good Instructor actually has to understand one size doesn't fit all so he should kind of adjust His way of instructing Depending on the student because every student is so different depending on who they are as person where they are in their training and if The instructor need to be flexible And an adaptable In terms of changing there Instructing methods, especially if a student is struggling.

00:24:13: They have defined a new effective way how to help the students.

00:24:17: So, the focus here is always on How To Make A Person Who Doesn't Know Anything About Flying To Become A Qualified Airline Pilot.

00:24:29: This Is A Long Process That Requires A Lot Of Training And A Lot of Instructions and A Good Instructor Would Actually Always Adjust Their way of instruction depending on the student.

00:24:43: and never to forget that Instructor is actually a role model.

00:24:49: So it's not only what you say to the students.

00:24:53: they Actually look at you as a role-model.

00:24:56: if you say anything, there would be copying you.

00:25:00: so It hits like I'm treating them like I am treating my students.

00:25:08: I'm always thinking monkey see, monkey do.

00:25:11: So it's not more what you're telling to the student.

00:25:14: if they see your cutting corners or Not doing a proper walk around Or let say jumping some items in The checklist are not following the correct procedures by just taking Some shortcuts They will actually Do exactly the same.

00:25:33: So even if you tell them not to do it, but they see doing that.

00:25:37: They will copy because of course everyone wants too at the end of the day to save some time and be quick can stay here.

00:25:42: And so instructors first fall should always remember their role model?

00:25:49: The way he walked a talk the way they walk your dress uniformed in the way to present themselves there attitude the way of communication, humbleness, respectful and helpfulness.

00:26:05: that sometimes you need to help some students who are maybe not booked with you but just to help someone else actually from the early stages triggers something in their students.

00:26:22: They're part of a team.

00:26:23: they have to be able work better people.

00:26:27: so there's many things makes an instructor a good instructor, but those are the things that I immediately Come to my mind.

00:26:39: That I think instructors comes from time-to-time forget because We focus more on the procedures and the skills on day under theoretical knowledge.

00:26:51: But we often can easily forget in our high workload environment that the person you're dealing with is also a human being and need to be respected.

00:27:05: And yeah, it's good role model for them.

00:27:11: From instructors to students what separates every student from exceptional students?

00:27:18: Well believe or not We call them top guns, the Top Gun students.

00:27:31: So what I mean is that best students are not the most naturally gifted student.

00:27:39: The best students they're usually consistent ones.

00:27:45: so those who are curious or humble and well prepared accept feedback and they take ownership of their mistakes, so instead trying to find why they made a mistake.

00:28:02: They are more focused on how... ...to do it next time and avoid that mistake.

00:28:08: Those aren't the good students.

00:28:11: And I actually always tell my students That The hard work beats the talent.

00:28:18: if the talent doesn't work hard So a student can be talented and if they're not consistent, then... ...if they are not prepared in discipline.

00:28:37: The workload increases.

00:28:39: the moment we start to train some emergencies you see them that they fall behind.

00:28:54: And the students who normally are on average skill, average knowledge but have a very good attitude... They actually way more prepared and then can deal with these emergencies better.

00:29:10: So student need to stay curious.

00:29:14: The aim is always To learn makes mistake.

00:29:20: Mistake is part of their journey, every student make mistakes and the aim should be to learn from it then not define an excuse why they did that.

00:29:30: Fortunately in the organization I work we have something called just culture.

00:29:35: We never punish or blame students but always try focus on procedures how to make them better and more safer to make them actually not make those mistakes.

00:29:52: So, also they do sometimes briefed on the attitude so that they stay sharp and come early or prepared.

00:30:09: Those are characteristics of a good student.

00:30:12: We absolutely aren't looking for top guns By the way, it's a good movie.

00:30:20: I love it but we are looking for average students with good attitude and those are actually also one that is on demand by the airlines industry.

00:30:36: Great answer!

00:30:38: Who doesn't love Topkan?

00:30:41: Yes, that's a legend.

00:30:43: I

00:30:43: think if you are an aviation and the first one referred to... The second should be great too but i refer especially to original one from Topkan.

00:30:58: to next topic.

00:31:00: You brought up certainly in aviation paramount term safety, right?

00:31:07: In the first minutes of the interview.

00:31:09: I'm all give us a little bit an introduction off.

00:31:13: why does safety culture begin long before airline training?

00:31:17: and what does safety cultural look like in a flight school?

00:31:21: maybe also in your flight school or in the flight school you work for?

00:31:26: Yeah, well it is actually a super important topic.

00:31:32: A very important topic way more than actually skills and knowledge because if you If your skills are not very good, which should be good and knowledge you can compensate it by automation.

00:31:50: And then there are computers nowadays the aircrafts or so sophisticated that can basically help you fly on their own if she knows how to use them.

00:32:02: but The safety is something That Is Very important human-related, it is important because statistically I'm not sure a hundred percent about the number but roughly on average seventy five percent of all accidents and incidents in aviation are actually related to human factor.

00:32:29: So if humans or following the safety protocols, safety procedures then accidents and incidents are inevitable.

00:32:41: And actually, it starts way earlier than... Yeah a lot of there is this myth that safety starts when or the pilots start to think about safety When they get their first job in America.

00:33:00: Actually It's not true.

00:33:02: They learn the safety during your training In a pilot school And in my organization, I can give you an example.

00:33:14: For example when we send a student on their first solo We have this checklist of different parameters that they all need to be ticked before we release the students because it's something unknown for them or herself or instructor.

00:33:33: Nobody knows how they will behave and what happens if they fly aircrafts.

00:33:39: So we have this checklist that we take before releasing them for SOLO and it can be like they have to fly a certain amount of hours.

00:33:51: Before their first SOLO, they have the medical class one license.

00:33:54: They have to have their radio license, logbook signed And a lot of other parameters.

00:34:00: The weather needs to be in certain parameters or minimums.

00:34:05: One The items and those checklists in the organization that I work for is actually, this student being able to have a certificate of being able send a safety report.

00:34:20: And also anonymously if needed.

00:34:24: That's an important thing because these students who are sitting at the classroom or on their airplane they're future captains.

00:34:35: you want them the responsibility, you want to teach them to raise their hand and report an issue if they think that's a safety issues.

00:34:44: They should be able do it from beginning but also need to have the mindset of voluntarily doing it actually.

00:34:58: so one thing we look at is certificate.

00:35:04: Do they have this app that we use for safety report or hazard reports?

00:35:09: If the student do not have a safety app, is unable to send a safe-to-report.

00:35:16: We don't send them on their first solo.

00:35:19: so we teached him from early stages of pilot training.

00:35:26: if at any point Any point of their training or anywhere in the organization even not related to there Training if these Point something they have to actually report it super important because at that moment You use you cut the corner.

00:35:48: The moment your disregard safety issues That is when things can get dangerous and accidents happen people get injured people die then And a lot of things, and aviation become unsafe.

00:36:01: So safety is super important number one top priority also by the airlines.

00:36:07: they actually hire people not by their hours or lockbooks.

00:36:11: They hire people about their mindset on how to be safe.

00:36:17: Also when students check school reports had some safety issues or attitude problems towards, especially toward the safety.

00:36:31: Very important in aviation and I think it's not enough emphasized unfortunately in our industry.

00:36:42: Of course, safety protocols cost money time and labor And i think you need to deserve a lot more attention than it already had.

00:36:58: It's unfortunately under correct way, so a lot of the organizations they become more and more aware because nobody wants to get involved in any kind of incident or accident.

00:37:11: So yeah super important!

00:37:15: And students need be introduced safety from their early training stages

00:37:28: A lot of wisdom from flight instructor and compliance auditor knowledge I guess.

00:37:34: Yeah, I mean safety and compliance.

00:37:39: they are really combined also in your flight school.

00:37:42: what do you think about?

00:37:44: yeah the question is how does safety and complains work together especially new place?

00:37:51: give us an executive sample maybe einmal?

00:37:54: And we have, of course the procedures.

00:38:02: then they come with a regulation.

00:38:04: They say okay here are the rules from for the ATOs which or training organization?

00:38:12: Here all the rules that you have to follow and according to those rules each ATO air traffic organizations actually create their own procedures every time an accident or incident, a close call by the way happens.

00:38:32: We send these reports our students and the report instructors and colleagues everyone involved in the organization.

00:38:40: they sent their reports.

00:38:41: so based on that report we have this meeting actually called the safety review board meetings.

00:38:47: In those meetings with those reports.

00:38:50: Actually our safety manager does very good job not only you this everyone in the organization can send a safety report, a safety concern anonymously even if they send it not anonymously.

00:39:03: or Safety Manager is going to remove their name and contact from the report.

00:39:08: And then before publishing it to the Safety Review Board so nobody can actually point finger out to anyone else.

00:39:14: So In these Safety Review Boards we are taking these safety reports that are sent Or hazard reports That Are Sent.

00:39:22: Then We Implement Them evaluate them and implement in our procedures.

00:39:28: And we say, okay... We had this problem!

00:39:32: How can we make our procedures operational manuals in a way that these do not happen again?

00:39:44: For example I can give you an example to be very specific about it's examples drain valve in one of our single engine aircrafts, actually both multi-engine and single-engine aircraft under the engine that we have to drain the fuel during the walk around before the flight.

00:40:07: The problem with that drain valve is it could be locked into open position or get stuck.

00:40:21: If you fly with that later on without noticing it, that is stuck in open position.

00:40:26: It can cause an engine failure.

00:40:29: So what we did actually... We had some rough engine running because of that and then when we got the SIFT report how could we change this?

00:40:42: This doesn't happen again.

00:40:44: Actually we contacted ES and via ES kind of pressured the aircraft manufacturer.

00:40:52: that allowed us to send a bulletin, to change the design of that valve into a new valve.

00:41:01: That it could not be locked in open position or it cannot stuck an open position.

00:41:08: so these valves are... The moment you drain it when you remove the drain cap they actually closes automatically.

00:41:14: but that's just an example.

00:41:16: and every time we a safe to report.

00:41:20: We always mitigate the risk and then we find the root cause with asking five times why this happened, what that happened was?

00:41:28: And then we found out the real reason and then implement into our procedures make sure it doesn't happen again To make our aircraft as safest for us students That they can jump in any of those aircrafts.

00:41:48: and trusting the aircraft, trusting the procedure that no matter what happens everyone on board will be safe.

00:41:54: So um...that is actually how we think in the organization I work at the

00:41:59: moment.

00:42:01: Great answer!

00:42:03: Are there special strategies you found out to develop situational awareness?

00:42:10: In a student or make them maybe more aware Or even develop it further if somebody has already advanced?

00:42:18: Oh, Jürgen.

00:42:19: That is one of the biggest challenge or most difficult thing to actually work with as a flight instructor because... The situational awareness is super important especially when workload increases in the cockpit.

00:42:39: if you get like let's say also malfunctioning some sort into the cockpit then quickly lose the situational awareness and you get this thing, phenomena we call the tunnel vision.

00:42:51: And actually it doesn't happen only for an unexperienced pilot or students.

00:42:56: It can happen my god to anyone like at any.

00:43:01: yeah This is why I'm asking because it's certainly it's

00:43:04: super crucial Super crucial and super important by the way also very difficult increase.

00:43:14: so from my personal point of view, situational awareness.

00:43:18: It comes actually with experience preparation and rehearsal.

00:43:28: Of course if you have not a lot of experienced flight hours then your situation is obviously going to be the same as someone who has several years of experience or more than you at a student.

00:43:44: but it also comes a lot with the pre-flat preparation.

00:43:48: The most of the work that if you do, like... If you check the weather properly.

00:43:54: as an example ...if we know there is a front waterfront coming where bad weather then your already mentally prepared for that and hopefully have plan how to surking navigate or avoid that bad weather or thunderstorm.

00:44:08: Then you kind reduce risk being in high workload environment, and when you're not in a high workload environment or where they are not in the bad situation.

00:44:21: You have a better overall situational awareness.

00:44:25: so first avoid the bad things.

00:44:27: how do you avoid it?

00:44:28: Be more prepared.

00:44:31: by that means check the weather properly Checked aircraft properly That doesn't have any malfunction.

00:44:36: check all the systems And things that you have on your pre-flight check And then also, go through these charts that you're going to be flying.

00:44:49: Go though the airdrums and check for local procedures in the air drums if they have any special procedure for their approach, taxi start-up takeoff... Any special thing at SID because you don't want make mistakes on high workload points or times during the flight which is takeoff and landing and approaches.

00:45:15: So, The more you are prepared...the more you're ahead of the aircraft And the more your head-of-your-aircraft Or your flight to better situational awareness.

00:45:28: that's one thing and there a think it Is.

00:45:31: I say to the students that always once in awhile as you fly Think about like a set of tunnel vision cross check and then think about the flight as whole.

00:45:43: It's not just keeping the localizer in the glideslope on point or keep all students heading constant, it is thinking about what ATC told to other aircraft?

00:46:00: Where are they at?

00:46:02: And if you get information about the traffic, then really have that traffic in mind and try to see it.

00:46:09: If your MVMC conditions or if not say today that you are IMC You won't be able keep your own separation from dimension traffic.

00:46:19: so It's like... The flight should understand what we thought as a whole Not just stick and rudder maintaining certain parameters constant or stable.

00:46:33: So communication is important and clear communication for situational awareness, it's important a lot of times.

00:46:40: shouldn't just get an information about the traffic from the ATC And then they'll say Roger on traffic if you don't do anything about them I'd say hey You just said okay?

00:46:49: We're just acknowledged that you understood and then he will look out.

00:46:53: Roger on Traffic we'll look out for dimension traffic.

00:46:56: Then you really have to do that.

00:46:57: You just promise the ATC, look out maybe... Now the ATCR is believing it's looking out.

00:47:04: so find a traffic and make sure there isn't conflicting traffic which will increase your situation of awareness.

00:47:15: It's very broad prospect.

00:47:17: I cannot come up with specific thing but Being prepared, well-prepared for a flight knowing your procedures.

00:47:25: Knowing you're by heart items.

00:47:27: Knowing the flight you are going to commence everything that goes through the procedure and the airport departure arrival of course the alternate weather they all will reduce work load when flying.

00:47:41: less workload means better or equals better situational awareness I think.

00:47:49: as an immediate answer.

00:47:50: That's

00:47:52: a great answer, I think there were lot of takeaways for ballads and all stages.

00:47:59: And yeah towards the end of this interview allow me what challenges in your opinion or from your experience do students struggle with most?

00:48:15: The student struggles from my point of view, most with the thing that actually surprises them is the amount of hard work they have to put.

00:48:33: It's not difficult become a pilot.

00:48:36: it isn't impossible.

00:48:37: anybody who has good health after examined by medical and get their medical license can be able.

00:48:47: But it requires a lot of discipline and hard work.

00:48:53: By that, I mean you have to be able say no at birthday party or from your family... ...or going out on the weekends and stay home then prepare for the skill test tomorrow or day after.

00:49:10: Again?

00:49:11: You're speaking especially off-ground school and hitting books!

00:49:15: Yeah No, yes.

00:49:21: and also the flight training actually.

00:49:25: The ATPL period can be.

00:49:28: if pilots are applying for an ATPL program... The ATP period could be a little bit boring.

00:49:34: you have to study from many hours.

00:49:36: it's not hard to learn but its too much in very short periods of time.

00:49:41: so workload is high.

00:49:43: that day is biggest challenge.

00:49:47: there is the economical aspect to this as well.

00:49:50: every time a student do not pass and it will cost them more, in terms of economy.

00:49:58: So that's also something that a lot students need to work on have good stable guarantee from someone or somewhere they can support throughout their education.

00:50:12: And besides that I think good attitude toward learning, curiosity hard work and then that they're already well on the correct path.

00:50:26: Okay yeah do at the end of this interview Eimal yes back to you looking ahead?

00:50:33: Do you see yourself staying in training or moving to an airline cockpit sooner or later?

00:50:40: Well Jurgen I don't know what life brings but i will always be staying in the training environment.

00:50:51: It is extreme joy and satisfaction to be part of a student's journey, who are dreaming about becoming a pilot.

00:51:04: The joy that you get from seeing your students developing from an nineteen year old or eighteen-year-old teenage an airline pilot is enormous.

00:51:18: And then sometimes they send you a text with their picture and thanking for all the advices, that you give them throughout training being part of success.

00:51:32: it's very satisfactory.

00:51:36: I will always be in the training environment.

00:51:39: maybe one day i'll fly different aircrafts but absolutely I will stay as a flight instructor forever.

00:51:48: Does they say one time, once flight instructor always fly instructor?

00:51:54: Yeah so at the moment i'm happy where am but you never know what future brings.

00:52:01: Amal it was great interview.

00:52:04: thankyou for all your advices and words and wisdom.

00:52:08: And before we sign off...I'd like to offer ua small personal thankyou from my side.

00:52:15: I'd be happy to give you a lifetime voucher for our mental performance coaching session with me and there are absolutely no strings attached.

00:52:24: If we ever feel it could be useful just reach out, i'll be here for you!

00:52:31: Thank You Jürgen.

00:52:32: thank you very much for inviting me this interview and allowing me to share some of my thoughts about flight training pilot aspirants and people who have a dream of becoming a pilot.

00:52:48: And thank you very much for the voucher, I would absolutely use it!

00:52:54: Thank you so much for that and thanks for your time.

00:53:00: All right then we are back at the end of the interview.

00:53:03: So like i said beforehand Very competent guest today, very knowledgeable And I think there's a lot of good stuff in that, especially if you are thinking about the Korean aviation.

00:53:16: Especially commercial aviation.

00:53:18: but to be honest... A lot of this stuff he covers goes actually into every part of aviation.

00:53:26: it doesn't matter If we just fly small Cessna or an A-III or whatever.

00:53:33: The mindset should always be the same.

00:53:36: It should always safety professional all that stuff.

00:53:40: so To anyone who has any interest in aviation, wants to go down that route.

00:53:46: He's obviously a man who has trained lots of people... ...to fulfill their dream.

00:53:51: so I would say take on board what you just heard.. ..I think it is very valuable and important stuff

00:54:00: Absolutely!

00:54:02: If you listen to this thank-you once again for joining us and sharing your experience with our listeners and we really enjoyed having you on the show.

00:54:12: And obviously, we wish all of our best for your future!

00:54:17: Yeah also from my side Amal if you listen big thank-you to taking time talking with us.

00:54:24: maybe who knows?

00:54:25: Maybe someday when are sitting in a cockpit of an airline or something would be nice because it's always nice have people back once they've progressed achieve the goal or something, you know just to catch up.

00:54:43: That'd be great!

00:54:44: Anyway I think we now come to the part that Jürgen and I dread the most right?

00:54:51: Yeah there's a social media...I mean we have professional social media presence.

00:54:57: so call it like this and this is yeah LinkedIn And there also teaser version.

00:55:07: It's two days after the show goes online, so it is October the sixth.

00:55:15: There is a link in version with picture of Eimal and certainly also YouTube channel can be considered as... professional, I mean what's a professional?

00:55:25: What is an unprofessional social media presence.

00:55:28: It was just a little bit of a discussable thing.

00:55:30: i think this.

00:55:32: it's too hot for some day to get inside this but comments and thumbs up are always nice to have if not us.

00:55:40: then maybe for Amal If you think that this was a nice interview And I want say thankyou to Amal do so please on Stefan's YouTube channel or also on LinkedIn, wherever you listen to this and speaking of LinkedIn.

00:55:55: It turned out that is the reason why I often say it was our professional YouTube channel because without knowing about it into the main communication channel with our podcast.

00:56:12: So also today afterwards there are a couple of messages already waiting for me, yeah if you want to get in touch coaching, aviation coaching mental performance coaching I mentioned in the beginning please.

00:56:28: The easiest way is really linked and first it's certainly the First contact and set up call where we discuss your goals needs And how coaching might help you is completely free and without obligation to have this said.

00:56:44: The other way to get in touch with us would be aviation at aviation-quest.cc, that's our email address and all the direct links as well as an e-mail address can be found on the show notes of todays episode.

00:57:00: just scroll down into this text.

00:57:07: And thanks to Stefan's work, we are also running Discord Server.

00:57:11: It is FS Clips so Stefan's YouTube channel, main YouTube channel Discord Server and there as a category with our podcast.

00:57:23: Yeah!

00:57:23: Then I don't know...I leave you the rest of things because i'm really even worse than you.

00:57:31: this

00:57:32: is

00:57:32: just not our thing.

00:57:34: No, no they sounded great.

00:57:36: We are getting I think...I'm not sure we're getting the hang of it but

00:57:41: a little

00:57:41: bit better.

00:57:42: with this whole.

00:57:43: you know where can you find us and please like and subscribe and all that stuff.

00:57:48: Don't smash buttons!

00:57:49: Please remember your aviators.

00:57:52: just don't smash button.

00:57:53: This is so good for the airplane It's not good anything.

00:57:56: But if you liked them give him a thumbs up.

00:58:00: And yeah If you think There are more interviews like this in the channel.

00:58:05: Yes, the calendar is full of interesting guests and also other interviews.

00:58:13: I can say next week still...I have to discuss it with Stefan afterwards.

00:58:18: by the way there's an interesting thing that's still in the calendar but i think we are worth a subscription as long you don't smash buttons.

00:58:27: I think Stephanie will agree.

00:58:30: A thumbs up for Amal and a comment would be a nice thing!

00:58:34: Exactly, it's for us at Amal as well of course the algorithm.

00:58:37: Okay i think we've covered everything so if you're still here thank you very much.

00:58:44: Thank You to listening till the end And like Jürgen said, we have a lot of guests that I've already been on and will come.

00:58:53: There's a whole long playlist full of amazing people.

00:58:57: going forward there'll be even more amazing people.

00:59:00: so you know

00:59:01: just

00:59:02: scroll through listen stay with us because We're gonna have some really nice content.

00:59:09: Okay!

00:59:10: That is it for today.

00:59:11: It was hot.

00:59:14: By the way, can I just say something before we go?

00:59:17: The sea...I live near the seaside has today reached a record temperature.

00:59:24: It is thirty-three degrees.

00:59:26: The water never ever been this warm.

00:59:30: It's a Mediterranean bass tube!

00:59:33: Yes you can make pasta and noodle soup in that water.

00:59:39: it already salted anyway.

00:59:41: so Yeah, I thought i'll leave that here.

00:59:43: Okay guys thank you so much for being with us today and we look forward to having your back soon.

00:59:49: okay all the best bye-bye!

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