A Lifetime of Precision Flying – In Conversation with Patty Wagstaff

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00:01:08: Jürgen how are you today?

00:01:11: Stefan yeah it's all right!

00:01:12: It's also summer in Austria here and a little bit of introduction about ourselves.

00:01:19: As many listeners hopefully know by now, Stefan is a professional pilot flying the A-Series XXI and i am a mental coach focusing aviation and we are aviation quest to see.

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00:01:34: as Stefan said, we are publishing every Sunday afternoon a new podcast and already reached with today's episode number forty.

00:01:47: nice happy birthday.

00:01:48: aviation quest you see

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00:01:55: At the beginning when we said maybe will reach a hundred, I thought that seems like very steep target but actually were already at forty and it seemed really fast.

00:02:08: It didn't seem impossible right?

00:02:11: Stefan i think you'll agree.

00:02:17: because of guests.

00:02:21: I doubted that this project will have, you know because we started with topics.

00:02:32: We brought up ourselves.

00:02:35: listeners who are with us from the first podcast on might know but then was the guests as in.

00:02:41: really this is where it took off bon intended.

00:02:45: yeah i think so.

00:02:48: generally i have to say i'm amazed by their guests.

00:02:55: Some of the people that have been on the podcast and will be on the podcasts, they've already agreed to come.

00:03:01: I never ever thought there would take time out of their busy lives just to speak with you or me.

00:03:06: so i'm actually really grateful and humbled.

00:03:11: some of these people are agreeing to come.

00:03:14: today is exactly one of those.

00:03:17: I don't know, he's probably better things to do

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00:03:26: But she agreed to come on and she is the second female guest which was also great because we said that they wanted more females right?

00:03:35: It's great!

00:03:36: We have a second one now.

00:03:38: Yeah i mean Stefan if you allow...I had to come up with some sentences for her.

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00:03:45: todays' guest is Betty Vacstaff.

00:03:50: Over a career spanning decades, she has become one of the most recognizable figures in aerobatic aviation earning multiple US national aerobatics championship titles while also dedicating herself to flight instruction, pilot development and aviation safety.

00:04:09: And her work has inspired countless pilots and continues discipline and a genuine passion for flying.

00:04:19: And I think today's podcast is absolutely a highlight in the still young history of our podcast, it was yeah little bit of back-and-forth to get her on the podcast but at the end she agreed.

00:04:37: thank you Paddy!

00:04:37: It really an honor I

00:04:45: agree.

00:04:45: And really, so just for those of you who might have never listened to the podcast it's not always like this but usually only one of us will do the interview.

00:04:54: to keep it simple.

00:04:55: So Jürgen conducted the interview today with Patty and then listen to it afterwards Of course!

00:05:03: So i really enjoyed listening to it.

00:05:05: It was super interesting very great points she made about piloting skills.

00:05:14: Interesting how she spoke about upset recovery.

00:05:17: That is something that has become a huge topic here in Europe as well, it's now part of my training regularly In the simulator.

00:05:27: we do have to do Upset Recovery Now.

00:05:31: I think its been going on for three or four years.

00:05:35: It was an interesting topic And yeah, generally I really liked listening to her.

00:05:47: Generally she sounds like a super nice lady someone you could just hang out with and do a hanger flying as we call it... You know?

00:05:55: Just talk about aviation!

00:05:57: So yeah um i guess will jump into the interview or before we do so shall.

00:06:06: Yeah, you put some pressure on me.

00:06:08: You know being a professional podcast I don't know what this is but at least i should have little bit of checklist and no... I wouldn´t forgot about it!

00:06:20: We are an audio cast.

00:06:22: as said in the beginning we aviation quest to see YouTube channel.

00:06:27: And this is thanks to Stefan's work, he has a professional YouTuber as I always say besides the professional pilot guy here running quite famous YouTube channel FS Clips and This so-to-say little bit of sidechannel.

00:06:43: at least you can see his capacities also creating really great background pictures.

00:06:50: we are audio cast with most amazing flight same stuff going on.

00:06:55: say it like this, I guess.

00:06:58: At least i don't know other audio cars with something in the background and its name is aviation-quest podcast.

00:07:09: and Stefan what's going on today?

00:07:14: Yes so today while you are listening to interview will be watching a really cool flight.

00:07:19: we're doing domestic flights Tokyo to Nagasaki and we take the mighty triple seven three hundred ER by Japan Airlines.

00:07:32: And this flight is cool because Nagasaki, The approach is really interesting very beautiful.

00:07:40: so make sure if you're in YouTube You keep watching Because at the end you'll see a really cool approach.

00:07:49: Okay yeah well I think with We can get right into the interview because we will speak a little bit about, yeah.

00:08:01: The content of the interview and also where... Yeah!

00:08:05: ...the other things about ourselves at the end but I think it's time to join Betty Wegstaff in my self-in-the-online studio.

00:08:16: It was really an amazing afternoon here in Austria.

00:08:19: And yeah Stefan let's go.

00:08:24: Yes, so enjoy the interview and we shall hear you

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00:08:52: Do you still remember the moment when aviation truly became part of your life?

00:08:58: Well, I grew up around it.

00:08:59: So It was always a big part in my life!

00:09:02: When i went to see my dad's airplane three years old My mother took me out and saw his airplanes And ever since then had an interest on aviation.

00:09:15: But from interest...to more than interest.

00:09:18: Was it also almost immediately clear that flying would become more than just an interest for you?

00:09:26: Well, something I thought I wanted to do.

00:09:30: I didn't know what form it was going on with me and my dad when we were young.

00:09:36: so aviation is always a big part of the process.

00:09:47: You know, you can't be a pilot because your girl.

00:09:51: So maybe think of something else.

00:09:53: and I'm like gee so it can't an astronaut or pilot.

00:09:57: but things change very soon after that.

00:10:00: my younger sister just retired from United Airlines after her long career.

00:10:06: Things did changed But didn't want to do the airlines?

00:10:09: Wasn't sure what i wanted To Do?

00:10:11: It came to me later on in life.

00:10:14: I was late twenties and I didn't know where i was going to go with it, one thing led to another.

00:10:23: Okay yeah because for sure your path is completely different from the standard airline route.

00:10:30: looking back today what do you think shaped you most in those early years?

00:10:34: And how did one thing lead to other?

00:10:38: I think just being around aviation, I really loved it.

00:10:42: I used to ask my father if he could update his jet charts and always would sit in listen-to him and friends talk about airplanes.

00:10:50: so i love flying, loving on the plane, loving sitting at a cockpit when they let me.

00:10:59: It was different back then.

00:11:00: now you can't go up to the cockpit So I feel bad for airline pilots kids.

00:11:05: they're not allowed up there and I always would sit with him.

00:11:10: So, um so i had a big exposure to it from young age.

00:11:15: And what originally attracted you to aerobatic flying specifically?

00:11:22: You know...I've always loved things like gymnastics standing on my head..and was just made for some reason....i can't really explain but its something that's been made.

00:11:36: So was it the competitive aspect or precision of freedom

00:11:44: and The fun?

00:11:46: And It was all those things.

00:11:51: It wasn't the competitive aspects at that time because I didn't know anything about That, um...it's just having a three-dimensional experience in an airplane is great

00:12:05: Patty, I think even nowadays many people from outside aviation see aerobatics mainly as spectacle.

00:12:13: From a pilot's perspective what is the deeper discipline behind it in your opinion?

00:12:18: Yeah that's interesting.

00:12:20: and for one thing i think makes you much better pilot because the aerodynamic aspect of it better.

00:12:31: Of course, very few planes are really aerobatic capable so you have to seek that out.

00:12:37: but I think It Really Does Make You A Better Pilot.

00:12:40: also helps you enjoy aviation more when your not going straight in level all the time.

00:12:45: i think is its Very...I Think It Really does make a better pilot In So Many Ways.

00:12:52: So you do think the overall understanding of airmanship and aircraft control increases logically?

00:12:59: Absolutely, in a big way yes.

00:13:03: It also did change your approach to normal flying.

00:13:08: so-to say quote unquote nowadays as well.

00:13:12: Well, I think you know You're not going to change your procedures in a normal airplane

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00:13:19: Not but I mean from a safety standpoint.

00:13:21: Yeah,

00:13:22: yeah, I Think it gives you a much Much better feeling, you Know confidence level?

00:13:28: I think it really improves your confidence level knowing that if something happens you can You know, you can handle It you can control the airplane and all attitudes And that's what upset training is all about.

00:13:39: so upset training has become a pretty big thing for flight departments, general aviation pilots.

00:13:47: And it's discussed a lot from airlines all the way down to the private pilot and that really... It's not aerobatics per se but there are some air abatics involved in them.

00:13:59: so people are starting to realize which they knew long time ago you know?

00:14:03: They're starting to realise now how important this is.

00:14:09: Yeah, I mean I as a glider pilot also had some introduction back then into what happens when the aircraft stalls and how to escape from a spin.

00:14:20: And if you have done this certainly it makes your better pilot even though we've just done with a flight instructor.

00:14:27: but i can absolutely confirm that you say

00:14:32: yeah well i'm glad that feel like too right.

00:14:34: think most people take get instruction understand that and have a greater level of confidence.

00:14:42: We have a flight school just below us, we're on the second floor in our building And um...we've talked to some new CFIs.

00:14:54: They are nervous about it because they never done any upset training.

00:15:00: It's not required.

00:15:03: It's starting to get required in Europe.

00:15:06: You know, IASA is starting to require some upset training for commercial and ATP students but you know they it's not required here.

00:15:13: so So we bring them up here We give them some upset-training We give him a day course And They feel much more confident when they start teaching people.

00:15:24: What do your?

00:15:25: things are still the Biggest misconceptions pilots have about aircraft control near the edges

00:15:41: of and they certainly are a little afraid to get anywhere close to that, closer the limits of the airplane as with good reason.

00:16:06: So I think giving somebody some extra confidence in their flying and give them some tools is really probably best thing that can happen.

00:16:18: And when you work with pilots training what separates in your opinion a pilot who progresses well?

00:16:25: From one who maybe struggles especially when speaking of upset recovery training.

00:16:30: Oh, that's an interesting question.

00:16:34: I tell the students a lot of times they write ahead and say can i have the POH?

00:16:40: I want to read all about the airplane And like well you can read or you want about the aeroplane.

00:16:45: But we're probably going to cover up the instruments anyway.

00:16:48: So you don't need to know the exact speeds that are in the POH.

00:16:53: so We want them to really think outside the box really understand the plane, feel the airplane.

00:16:59: Know how you can deal with the limits without just with airmanship techniques like after takeoff... You could get off of ground pretty slow and take-off but we tell everybody to level off for a bit gain little speed in ground effect then climb out Then don't have to steer at the airspeed.

00:17:20: If your coming into land and you have the nose below the horizon, then your descending.

00:17:26: You don't need to look at the airspeed there either necessarily because it's just a really basic – I mean that is pretty generalized but pretty basic.

00:17:37: airmanship techniques will go along with gaining confidence in understanding how to stay out of trouble.

00:17:45: things like slips and skids.

00:17:46: also not stepping on the rudder gets a lot of people in trouble.

00:17:56: Great answer, yeah and let me say we are little bit to the competition performance mindset of yours.

00:18:03: I mean competitive aerobatics demand an incredible level of consistency.

00:18:09: how did you personally learn to manage pressure and stay precise?

00:18:14: That's another great question.

00:18:15: it was very hard when i was competing And so on, of course you have to yet work very hard to learn all the techniques.

00:18:27: But the biggest challenge was staying calm under pressure and when you go to a contest in it's your turn to fly.

00:18:36: they turned box markers white or call And you have to go in, all of a sudden everything changes.

00:18:44: I've seen some really good pilots that couldn't overcome nerves and being nervous and feeling the pressure.

00:18:53: That was the hardest thing for me to do.

00:18:56: I'm pretty shy anyway... ...and put myself into situations like this.

00:19:01: To be it crazy at first!

00:19:03: It's just, I don't think i want to do this.

00:19:04: As I get better at it, that was my biggest challenge and had to overcome that.

00:19:13: So you know i read a lot of books... ...I found ways over-to deal with it.. I um there.

00:19:20: everybody has their own way You Know?

00:19:21: And even in air shows where don't get as nervous.... I would sit sitting by car near the airplane for about thirty minutes To an hour beforehand.

00:19:30: just try stay away from people and keep mind clear.

00:19:33: so The mental aspects of competition flying are the hardest part to overcome and to master.

00:19:44: Yeah, just speaking a little bit from my athlete's heart that was competitive climber or professional climber over two decades.

00:19:57: I know what you're talking about

00:20:00: as soon.

00:20:02: Yeah, it's a whole other game.

00:20:07: It took me many years really to be able to compartmentalize.

00:20:13: that you know and I mean it helped in life too.

00:20:17: all of this stuff is part just growing up and maturing finding ways to deal with things they come out.

00:20:28: so its interesting.

00:20:31: Wadi, this interview is certainly not about my story.

00:20:35: It's about yours.

00:20:36: and was there a particular lesson from competition?

00:20:43: flying over all let us say that stayed with you maybe throughout your entire aviation career?

00:20:51: Yeah absolutely!

00:20:51: A lot of those lessons did.

00:20:53: I think There were a lot of lessons that have stayed with me.

00:20:58: I think once you learn something, it stays with you forever.

00:21:00: if your... If you're able to incorporate into your life which i think most these things she can.

00:21:09: Just being able to compartmentalize and finding ways to do that.

00:21:15: so going in an important meeting

00:21:17: or

00:21:18: sponsorship meeting that kind thing competition really helped that ability to focus more than I normally would.

00:21:27: You know, you have to really block things out of your mind and keep a clear mind when going into things especially for somebody like me in a lot of air show pilots or ADD little attention deficit disorder where we're easily distracted And i think thats part what makes it good competition on an airshow pilot specially air shows.

00:21:49: but um...to learn control is really helpful in everything that you do.

00:21:57: So, me?

00:21:58: You became mentally stronger all the everyday life through competitive flying.

00:22:05: I would say so yeah!

00:22:07: i've really felt it

00:22:11: great.

00:22:15: next topic let's keep back maybe to aviation.

00:22:19: today we often speak about automation and systems management.

00:22:26: do you sometimes feel that fundamental stick in rudder skills the risk being underestimated nowadays?

00:22:35: Yeah, I really do.

00:22:36: You know what i notice when I'm taxing out excuse me and I'm taxiing next to a flight school plane And I have to go around them or something.

00:22:46: The student rarely looks up and rarely sees Me in the plane or me my students It's.

00:22:55: sometimes the instructor will look up and look out, go okay you know I see you.

00:22:59: Have to make sure they see me if i'm taxing around them.

00:23:01: that's just a way our taxiways are set-up here.

00:23:04: um And I'm like I think maybe they should be looking outside a little more but They're really training on these big screens.

00:23:11: The whole cockpit is a big screen.

00:23:14: it's very different than the way I trained.

00:23:21: Okay, that's the way it is.

00:23:22: That's a way they have to train.

00:23:24: They have to learn these things.

00:23:25: but I think also finding ways to Train more for airmanship which is part of Part of airmanship as looking outside and knowing you know having situational awareness And I read these stories about people getting lost on their cross-countries or whatever.

00:23:43: I'm like You can always look outside.

00:23:45: if your BFR obviously Find a river, find the lake.

00:23:50: Find something that's going to give you some indication of where you

00:23:56: are.".

00:23:57: You know I used to when I was flying at pits around country... ...I didn't have GPS we didn't had Loran in early days and i'd have get down on highway read road signs.. ..to find out what it sometimes or water towers in small town.

00:24:14: At least they knew how do right?

00:24:17: So, I think you sort of need those skills in addition to all the other skills.

00:24:22: It's a lot because there...you know training is very intense and it has lots to learn but i really wish people could learn that.

00:24:34: Yeah, I mean certainly.

00:24:35: I was also trained as a glider pilot in the mid-nineties.

00:24:38: There were no GPS and one of the first rules by my flight instructor is still here.

00:24:43: it in the back of my mind.

00:24:45: Look outside you're under VFR You know.

00:24:48: look outside what's going on out there?

00:24:50: You have to feel the airplane or instrument are they?

00:24:53: but your main focus should be outside.

00:24:57: It's yeah so true And i don't know that.

00:24:59: a lot students who talk about anymore In most flight schools, there's a lot of... You know Florida is really busy with you know flight training now.

00:25:08: All the schools are really busy students from Germany and all over the world but I don't think they're being taught any of that.

00:25:19: So what would you change?

00:25:21: If you got the chance to build up maybe a new curriculum for our flight school, how would you built it up?

00:25:28: more via fad time or outside the cockpit lessons?

00:25:32: Yeah absolutely.

00:25:33: I teach airmanship and make sure that was part of the curriculum... ...I don't know what much is part of this curriculum but i haven´t looked to see.

00:25:41: But um..i will have people navigate without any instruments at least on one.

00:25:48: You run a flight school, but also overall.

00:25:50: what would you change over all?

00:25:52: So more time with view outside the cockpit instead of instruments

00:25:58: Absolutely that will be one thing.

00:26:00: some upset training for sure.

00:26:03: It's really hard though because The instructors today are coming out of same system right and They're a product of what the system is teaching, so they don't necessarily learn those things.

00:26:17: I'm sure some of them do but A lot of them don't you know?

00:26:21: They are just totally reliant on instruments.

00:26:24: So i'd like to turn everything off and have him find their way somewhere.

00:26:29: Now we had VFR charts.

00:26:31: Of course You need some sort navigation if you lose all your instrument And people dont carry sectionals anymore.

00:26:41: So that's part of the issue I think, or it is an issue to consider.

00:27:15: And yeah, I mean also maybe to segue it through your long term aviation perspective.

00:27:20: after so many years in aviation Betty what still inspires you every time.

00:27:26: You fly nowadays.

00:27:28: It's just so beautiful to be up there, you know?

00:27:30: To see the way that sky is and water.

00:27:34: You where our airports on a beach... And we're in the coasts of the East Coast.

00:27:41: So it was just so beautifull.

00:27:42: I get out there.

00:27:46: how lucky than i am to do this.

00:27:49: That's pretty inspirational for me.

00:27:54: Yeah, I mean obviously you've seen many different sides of aviation over the decades.

00:27:59: What do we hope younger pilots still preserve about a culture and the spirit of flying?

00:28:06: A little bit an aviation philosophical question if you allow Patty.

00:28:11: Well it's interesting...I was talking to a guy the other day young guy And he just about get his CFI.

00:28:19: So he was almost done with his flight training, and then he was going to build time so that you could get on the airlines.

00:28:24: And I said hey why don't you just instead of going right to the airline?

00:28:30: Why don't take a year or two off fly in Alaska go somewhere else do something

00:28:34: exciting?"

00:28:39: He said.

00:28:39: my father took out alone at home for me getting this flight training.

00:28:46: I have to get a job right away so i can start paying him back.

00:28:50: And...I thought about that, you know?

00:28:53: It's something I hadn't considered because it has always been fairly expensive.

00:28:59: but..it was so enlightening for me to think he doesn't have the luxury and maybe the luxury that I did- I didn't have to be able to get my job straightaway!

00:29:12: But a lot of these guys are now at one hundred thousand dollars up until CFI And so I have to take that into consideration.

00:29:21: So at least maybe he can get a good job with an airline, and then you could back in general aviation and have some adventures but get the job first right?

00:29:30: Not everybody has that luxury But hopefully later on because airlines are really hiring him You know.

00:29:38: Maybe later on we can do it.

00:29:41: I'd

00:29:45: be interested.

00:29:47: What are, so to say for you maybe the deep places?

00:29:51: To have fun and adventures in aviation.

00:29:54: You already mentioned Alaska for sure.

00:29:57: Are there other spots?

00:29:58: you would say hey airline pilot take a look at this.

00:30:01: Well everybody has their things that they like the best.

00:30:04: A lot of them really people love seaplanes getting their float rating And you know you know, a million dollars.

00:30:12: You can go get a float rating for maybe couple thousand dollars and whether you stick with floats or not it's an adventure that is exciting and makes your better pilot.

00:30:21: You could take aerobatic lessons.

00:30:24: so they call back country here little bush line as fun.

00:30:29: its'nt even that expensive.

00:30:30: So there are alot of different choices to have.

00:30:33: if you cant go to Alaska you know, California and New York whatever up to Alaska take a week to do it.

00:30:42: A lot of the guys that did that camp they bring a tent in their camp.

00:30:47: so there's lots ways to find adventures in aviation.

00:30:54: There are some outfits from South Africa where we can go.

00:30:58: You get training over there then fly a plane with several airplanes Then have guide and fly different safari.

00:31:05: you know lodges and things like that.

00:31:07: so there are a lot of opportunities for some great adventures.

00:31:15: Yeah, all I can say today it was really uh a great interview.

00:31:23: but before we wrap up Betty is there anything you'd like to cover?

00:31:28: Cover that we haven't yet because certainly There might be some minutes left.

00:31:33: Maybe also about your flight school, a little bit of yeah what do you offer?

00:31:38: I mean we are online this now in summer.

00:31:41: so What is yours?

00:31:42: maybe all the year flights coolies offering other camps or what's going on?

00:31:46: well

00:31:46: Thank You Thanks for asking.

00:31:47: So We teach basic aerobatics and Intermediate aerobatic sometimes advanced And we teach upset training and every course starts with upset training.

00:32:00: You know, when I first started the school it was in twenty thirteen.

00:32:07: People, I didn't believe in the term ups at training.

00:32:10: Why?

00:32:11: You know it seems so silly.

00:32:12: why don't you just go learn aerobatics and then we'll get all these techniques?

00:32:16: And i talked to some friends that already were teaching them promoting it.

00:32:20: They said no this is something pilots can do one day.

00:32:24: they can learn a lot.

00:32:25: They dont have to go into a full course or get into aerobatic.

00:32:29: They could really learn alot with basic things.

00:32:31: It will keep him safer.

00:32:33: And so I thought about it, and became a big believer in that.

00:32:37: So now we promote upset training... ...and of course we include this in every course.

00:32:44: but even just coming for basic aerobatic courses is one thing like getting the seaplane rating.

00:32:50: you don't know where its going to lead.

00:32:52: You may never fly seaplanes again But it's gonna prove your skills as an aviator.

00:33:00: And I guess there's also possibility for European pilots to come over and maybe transfer their license afterwards, so we're here.

00:33:08: Yeah!

00:33:08: We have a lot of European pilots actually when you get to South America.

00:33:11: Oh great!

00:33:11: Yeah...and that we've got a guy coming next week who is Italian.

00:33:16: He has been here couple times.

00:33:18: So the nice thing about this is..we don't give any ratings.

00:33:21: You can come as a tourist but you do not need special visa or anything like it.

00:33:27: Just come as tourists.

00:33:31: That's the best thing about it.

00:33:34: Great, what is the easiest way to connect with you?

00:33:38: Our website is pattywikesaf.com and then email us.

00:33:45: in the e-mail addresses.

00:33:46: on there You can see our course list and read about training.

00:33:50: Then we'll send all of your information And set up a time for you.

00:33:56: come fly with this

00:34:00: Betty and there's something I want to send you today.

00:34:03: Yeah, I mean as a small thank-you from my side I thought I'll send you a lifetime voucher for one of my mental performance coaching sessions And obviously no obligations at all and if we ever feel one of your students could benefit more from it than yourself You're certainly very welcome to pass it on.

00:34:21: Thank you so much!

00:34:25: Well, I mean thank you very much for your time and for sharing your experience with us today.

00:34:30: It was really a pleasure And the great honor to having as having you on aviation questions.

00:34:36: see and yeah, I wish y'all the best and Yeah fly for an X for the next couple of decades All

00:34:46: right.

00:34:47: And that brings us to the end of the interview was really nice listening to it again.

00:34:53: like I said, I don't know, she has a really unique point of view about aviation especially you can tell.

00:35:04: She's very passionate about it!

00:35:07: She loves the basic flying skills... ...the basic navigation and the stick-and-rutter skills all that stuff.

00:35:13: so i think its great.. ..i really enjoyed listening to this whole thing again.

00:35:21: Continuous learning AND a genuine passion for flying !

00:35:25: This is what i already mentioned in my intro.

00:35:31: still performing on a really professional level and certainly also for me as a former glider pilot, I mentioned it in the interview.

00:35:43: it must have been, I mean there is no autopilot.

00:35:48: Exactly yes and like i said before the interview some of the things she said are now part even my world you know?

00:35:57: Even in airliner flying we do upset recovery on the Airbus A-Series V-iii which is pretty cool stuff.

00:36:05: Although it's a bit scary when you have an E-Tree-Twenty with fifty degrees nose down in, I don't know, sixty degree bank and uh... You're supposed to recover the aircraft but its good training And

00:36:19: as long

00:36:23: as it's in the simulator It sounds like fun.

00:36:27: Yeah of course!

00:36:28: But it sounds like fun, but obviously you're being graded on it.

00:36:31: So you have to perform!

00:36:33: It's interesting and I always enjoyed.

00:36:37: so yeah um i hope y'all enjoyed the interview And I guess You & I now Have To Do The YouTube Things That We Are Really Not Good At.

00:36:48: I Guess

00:36:51: Yeah...I mean first of all..i wanna say One more time, Betty.

00:36:56: Thank you for joining us.

00:36:58: it was an honor and also thank you.

00:37:02: I got a great photo of hers And i will get this to our so-to say our unofficial professional social media channel So to say LinkedIn Two days after the interview on Tuesday afternoon After this went online on Sunday This together with so it's on august elevenths.

00:37:30: i'm just watching checking this on our calendar here.

00:37:34: So, August eleventh there will be a LinkedIn post in the afternoon central european time.

00:37:42: where is uh linkedin version of the teaser and photo?

00:37:50: Yeah.

00:37:50: Account is my name, it's Jürgen Reis and you can also find the direct link in show notes that are below the teaser of the podcast.

00:38:00: so yeah And Stefan!

00:38:03: The thing we're really worth to speak about ourselves now but I think... just don't smash buttons please.

00:38:13: we are aviators.

00:38:14: but do the things you like.

00:38:16: yes yeah subscribe, like all that stuff.

00:38:21: We always make fun of to smash a button.

00:38:24: if what you hear is good then you dont have to smash any buttons!

00:38:28: But i would appreciate it if you subscribe so you don´t miss future episodes and we have amazing people lined up.

00:38:36: I think its worth it.

00:38:39: Yeah, I know you also don't have to like us.

00:38:42: You can or you don't Have to leave a comment for us.

00:38:45: but if you think Betty Thank you for being on the podcast do it for Betty.

00:38:51: I mean, I think fair game fair play.

00:38:57: So yeah, I mean There's not much else from my side and like I said once again Also from my set a big thank-you to Patty for coming home.

00:39:07: is anything else You think we should discuss before we sign off?

00:39:14: It's all right.

00:39:15: I mean, everybody might be interested in my mental coaching especially for ballads already mentioned at the first minute.

00:39:26: All about this.

00:39:27: you also can find them are linked into account or profile and subscribing to the podcast.

00:39:34: it is A hot, hot podcast summer which is ahead also next week.

00:39:41: So all the next weeks are really high end guests.

00:39:44: I say it like this they're already pre-recorded and live on tape And its' a long aviation quest to see It's worth a subscription.

00:40:00: Thank you for today And thank you Stefan for your time.

00:40:07: Okay, I couldn't have said it better.

00:40:09: Jürgen very well done.

00:40:10: that's why you are the professional and i just fly planes

00:40:14: from

00:40:15: my side.

00:40:16: Thank you very much to everyone for listening!

00:40:19: We look forward hearing in next one.

00:40:23: until then all the best guys bye-bye.

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