From Check-In Desk to Airbus Captain – The Aviation Journey of Captain Josefine Schuhmann

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00:00:47: Well dear listeners my name is Jürgen Reis.

00:00:51: I am one of your hosts at AviationQuest C And today's Episode is a very special one for our podcast.

00:01:01: Because, the first time we welcome female airline pilot to this show.

00:01:07: it's Captain Josefini Schumann Well interviewed by my second host here A-Street-Wenty First Officer Stefan Lorenz.

00:01:20: It really fantastic!

00:01:21: Thank you Stefan.

00:01:23: Hello again, nice to hear you again.

00:01:26: Yeah was a great interview wasn't it?

00:01:28: Josefine just very briefly so you know what its all about is the captain within the Lufthansa group and she's had an amazing career a very varied career.

00:01:42: that's very unusual.

00:01:44: You will hear that, so she has done all kinds of things in aviation but she had the full life in aviation and we thought you'd be an amazing guest!

00:01:54: And obviously like you said Jürgen our first female guest which makes us very happy something uh...we wanted to have for quite some time right?

00:02:02: Absolutely yeah.

00:02:04: I mean it really is um..yeah It is, I mean depending of the statistics.

00:02:10: Statistics are statistics.

00:02:12: it's whether people count all licensed pilots or active airline pilots only.

00:02:18: but as it looks by now and realistically in May twenty-twenty six we're talking off roughly globally female airline pilots on around five to six percent of their profession.

00:02:37: They even say a little less or they range from four to seven percent.

00:02:42: So as I said, it's always statistics are statistics.

00:02:45: but yeah and once for sure female captains Are an even smaller subgroup logically within that already small percentage?

00:02:56: This also tells something about the uniqueness of this opportunity That your network offered our podcast.

00:03:04: Stefan.

00:03:06: Yeah, absolutely.

00:03:07: And like I said she's someone who has worked in aviation for entire life and just done all kinds of things which are super interesting.

00:03:17: but it also makes her extremely competent because she knows the operation from every single angle you can come from, you know.

00:03:27: You will hear she used to manually calculate the mass imbalance for long-haul airliners and all that stuff.

00:03:34: so really cool to have her um... And like you said you're unfortunately still not very common uh.. To have a person like her.

00:03:44: but we do hope That in the future We'll be able to welcome more female guests.

00:03:49: Well I hope Stefan.

00:03:51: USFS clips So to say YouTube almost professional, prepared a very special podcast video for her today.

00:04:00: I mean you normally we are certainly an audio cast but we're running thanks to Stefan.

00:04:07: also our YouTube channel it's aviation-questpodcast and there Stefan is usually putting us into a cockpit of real world flight sometimes also yeah showing uh

00:04:24: Yes, so that you have something to look at while still listening to us.

00:04:29: So because it's Lufthansa... Because Josefine is from Lufhtanza I decided to do a Lufttanzer flight but i wanted to do something a little bit special!

00:04:37: So I grabbed once again my favorite aircraft the MD-Eleven and we're doing an Luftanzer cargo flight today From London Stansted To Frankfurt with the beautiful MD-eleven F.

00:04:51: Wow sounds amazing.

00:04:54: Yeah, I mean Stefan this time.

00:04:57: Usually as pointed out in our housekeeping episode twenty-eight i am the interviewer but this time Stefan offered us his great interview and just say from the check-in desk Munich to the left seat of Airbus A three twenties today's guest is Captain Josefine Schumann interviewed by Stefan And without any further ado Here we go!

00:05:26: Okay, welcome everybody again.

00:05:28: And with me here today is Captain Josefina Schumann.

00:05:32: Josefine it's a great pleasure to have you here.

00:05:35: thank you so much for taking time out.

00:05:39: We just talked... You are actually in the crew hotel right now between flights.

00:05:43: So Welcome To The Podcast.

00:05:45: Well thanks For Having Me Stefan.

00:05:48: Yes It Is Great To Have You Here.

00:05:50: You Are Actually The First Woman That We Record on our podcast.

00:05:54: It's a very male dominated industry, I do want to go into this topic with you in a minute but before we get started.

00:06:03: so you are obviously a captain within a very large airline group.

00:06:08: let's put it this way... But how did your journey start?

00:06:12: Take us all the way back becoming a pilot or being part of the aviation industry.

00:06:18: was there something that started for or was there a specific moment later on in life?

00:06:25: So tell us how did this start for you, the long journey that we're going to discuss today.

00:06:32: All right I hope you prepared for this story... ...I actually never knew what i wanted to become.. ..i wasn't really good at school and uh had great life.

00:06:47: so as a teenager but little bit without plans to be honest.

00:06:53: So after school, first I went to London for a couple of years.

00:06:58: To improve my English when the college there and then When i returned to Munich which is my hometown?

00:07:06: I joined with at twenty two years Lufthansa Still in the old airport Muni Green At The Checking Desk.

00:07:15: so this was My First Step Into Aviation And I Quite Enjoyed You know, working for Lufthansa.

00:07:24: at that time everybody was super proud to have the yellow ID.

00:07:30: After half a year you could travel around the world with little money on staff tickets.

00:07:38: and well after I moved onto the ticket counter for couple of years And again i moved on into department called operation And people who don't know what operations means, that's actually our department divided into work spaces.

00:08:05: So you work either in the office or do the calculation and load planning for aircrafts.

00:08:13: so the aircraft has a proper center of gravity on takeoff Which is obviously not a big deal for smaller crusts like seven to seventh or I was twenty.

00:08:25: But when it comes to a white body, there were quite a job that time as we did mainly loachy by hand.

00:08:32: and Yeah the other part you go outside on the ramp all the apron proper name And where are you just watching?

00:08:42: Correct loading Taking care.

00:08:45: The fuelers were coming and organizing the whole things around a flight cruise.

00:08:55: You still want to listen for long story, I have to tell it!

00:08:59: Let me just stop you there... to go from check-in and ticket counter, two operations.

00:09:08: I suppose you had to do like a training course in stuff to learn everything about center of gravity?

00:09:14: I don't know... You said maybe you did some fuel calculations and all that stuff.

00:09:20: was this something you applied too or is it just offered to you?

00:09:24: how did that work out the step?

00:09:26: because that to me seems quite a big step in terms.

00:09:34: Yeah, you see I started in nineteen eighty-five working for Lofthansa and that time Loftherna had a huge training center In the middle of nowhere close to Dubstadt And You could apply for the Departments.

00:09:50: She wanted to work for and then they were sending your for training and even just for checking.

00:09:55: the training Took four weeks.

00:09:58: okay

00:09:58: For operations, my training took eleven weeks.

00:10:01: Can you imagine?

00:10:02: With every Friday a big test.

00:10:04: it was really fantastic!

00:10:08: How shall I say... You were well prepared and they will take good care of your training.

00:10:15: Well,

00:10:16: that's very good.

00:10:17: Very good.

00:10:18: and so you started off in the office doing all the preparation for the flight... ...in terms of how to load aircrafts.

00:10:27: like I said it was done by hand which is pretty amazing.

00:10:31: thinking today we both work with iPads.

00:10:36: there are literally no pieces of paper.

00:10:41: And then you mentioned the ramp as well.

00:10:43: Was this just part of your job or was it something that you really wanted to do?

00:10:50: No, they were always two people working on one aircraft – One inside and outside.

00:10:57: We had a walkie-talkie communicating with us about things we planned for our desk.

00:11:03: Your colleague took care at the aircraft during loading accordingly to your calculation.

00:11:12: Oh, that's very cool!

00:11:14: So this was Munich Airport.

00:11:16: is that correct?

00:11:18: That was Munich airport.

00:11:19: yes

00:11:20: and at the time did Lufthansa already have seven for sevens of Munich.

00:11:25: This a bit before my time

00:11:29: As I remember Turin.

00:11:31: there were big aircraft DC-Ten coming going daily to New York which was great because it had completely different loading system And that was very interesting.

00:11:43: But we took care of around forty different carriers, so we had the Thai Jambochet coming.

00:11:52: We had Kuwait Airway So all kinds of companies were coming and we took a care of

00:11:59: it.

00:12:00: Every load sheet looked different.

00:12:02: It's quite good.

00:12:02: actually.

00:12:03: I guess every company has its own procedures and policies

00:12:10: And can you imagine that time when you went as a girl in the skirt to Kuwaiti Airways?

00:12:15: You were not really welcome.

00:12:18: Okay, okay fair enough.

00:12:20: well That's the topic I want to talk to you about anyway later on About how things are today and how they might have been in the past.

00:12:28: Ok so How long did you do this?

00:12:30: How long where your working On preparing flights and helping To get them pushed out of the airport?

00:12:40: That was around about five years, and then now it comes.

00:12:45: So one colleague in the office he did a lot of parachuting.

00:12:51: He wasn't a parachuting club And then he convinced me also to do parachuting with him.

00:12:57: I said okay i give you try.

00:12:59: Then he turned up with an ode orange military jumpsuit and went with him outside of Munich doing a tandem jump, which was apparently the first-and last jump I did.

00:13:15: And not because it scared me but shortly afterwards one my best girlfriends who were also working in operations fell madly in love with co-pilot of Lufthansa at that time And she said, ah come on let's go and do a private license.

00:13:40: you know that cool maybe to impress the guy.

00:13:45: I say okay then i'm not continuing with my parachuting ideas... ...and sold very beloved wooden Bavarian wardrobe to have some money.. ..and headed off to Prescott Arizona at the end by myself because she decided not to do it and I said okay, i got the holiday let's go.

00:14:11: Okay how old were you at that time?

00:14:15: I was there was ninety two so I was uh twenty nine.

00:14:20: Twenty-nine

00:14:21: okay nice

00:14:23: already quite old.

00:14:24: yeah

00:14:25: no no no noted.

00:14:26: well just starting to starting their flying career in terms.

00:14:31: So you went to the US on your own, even though the plan was to go with a friend.

00:14:37: Do you think at that time it was just an impulse?

00:14:42: To think well I've sort of prepared myself for doing this so let's Just Go For It.

00:14:47: or do You Think In The Back Of Your Head You Already Thought What Being A Pilot Would Actually Be Really Cool?

00:14:53: No

00:14:57: i didn't know.

00:15:00: no I don't know, i saw it as a kind of...i guess challenge to do something little crazy and have some fun.

00:15:10: Okay interesting!

00:15:11: And..I just went there and uh- i thought let's see what's happening?

00:15:17: You know , i found really beautiful nice tiny flight school in Prescott.

00:15:24: on the other side were the poshie and burrito university flight schools.

00:15:29: Of course, I could not afford going there.

00:15:31: I don't know even if they would have taken me as a foreigner.

00:15:33: no ideas But nevertheless i found this beautiful little flight school and also on top I've found very nice American couple joys And Douglas where I could stay for four weeks and After four week really proudly?

00:15:52: I held my private license in my hand.

00:15:55: Wow

00:15:55: that's a very quick turn around

00:15:59: Yeah, and now I have to come back actually.

00:16:01: To my orange military jumpsuit which i was taking with me And all my cross-country.

00:16:10: I did this Orange jumpsuit plus a top gun leather jacket because you know there wasn't time.

00:16:18: really Top Gun was just the movie You know?

00:16:23: So I was flying around looking absolutely ridiculous

00:16:28: to be

00:16:29: honest.

00:16:29: And they gave me the nickname Assassin's test pilot, you know?

00:16:32: Me in my super outfit on Assassin's of one seventy-two.

00:16:37: I looked really like an idiot i guess but i felt great.

00:16:40: yeah that what it's gonna sound amazing!

00:16:43: That is a most important thing...

00:16:46: I surely did here.

00:16:48: okay so you got your ppl out in the US So i guess an FAA PPL.

00:16:53: What happens next?

00:16:57: What happened next?

00:16:59: Well, staying at the Joyce and Douglas.

00:17:02: Joyce was also a private pilot.

00:17:04: she started really late with fifty-five getting her license.

00:17:08: She owned a nice... Wow!

00:17:12: what was

00:17:12: it?!

00:17:12: It was a multi engineer crew.

00:17:15: Yeah even I was allowed to fly on this one And i would like to mention this because.. ..it made really difference for me.

00:17:24: Also ,she is member of the Ninety Nines which is a female pilot organization founded in nineteen twenty-nine with Emile Erhard as the first president, nineteen thirty one and name comes from the ninety nine chapter member.

00:17:46: Okay

00:17:47: so I became part of this really fantastic organisation.

00:17:55: It still exists, of course.

00:17:58: I guess it's been the biggest female pilot organization worldwide.

00:18:01: we have even members from India Saudi Arabia and Nepal Worldwide.

00:18:10: And when i was back in Germany ,I also Refounded the German section because it was existing .i think In the sixties.

00:18:20: but then it kind Of faded away.

00:18:23: and Then i became first governor in germany often New, recreated founded.

00:18:30: Very good!

00:18:31: That's very great.

00:18:32: that's great.

00:18:33: I never knew this about you

00:18:35: Really?

00:18:37: Now i'm just a paying member and must admit not really active anymore in the group which is a shame.

00:18:43: but from time to time we meet on big occasions.

00:18:47: Okay

00:18:49: so go back to Germany.

00:18:51: You obviously become an active member in the Ninety-Nines.

00:18:56: and then what happens?

00:18:58: Did you go back to Lufthansa when you got your old job or did you do

00:19:04: it?

00:19:04: No, meanwhile actually I became a stewardess as before called that time.

00:19:09: So let's say flight attendant And i was becoming a flight attendant moved to Frankfurt because Munich had so little flights at that time long haul and I just wanted to see the whole world, then move to Frankfurt.

00:19:29: And...I still did not think of becoming a commercial pilot!

00:19:34: What i did?

00:19:35: I went every year on my big holiday to Munich Waitressing at the famous Munich Oktoberfest.

00:19:42: afterwards took money back to Prescott flying some hours spending my hard-earned money there.

00:19:52: that's what i did for years And I was happy, you know?

00:19:58: That's it.

00:19:58: Yeah

00:20:00: So what aircraft did you fly as a cabin crew?

00:20:04: and i was flying on the beautiful jumbo jet On airbus.

00:20:10: three forty two hundred three hundred for the first versions coming to hundreds at that time And ever three hundred six hundred oh

00:20:18: okay wow ever see three hundred.

00:20:22: I

00:20:25: loved working on this aircraft.

00:20:26: It had three galleys, it was fantastic!

00:20:28: Nice exotic destination

00:20:32: just beautiful very nice so interesting.

00:20:35: So you are a cabin crew but also pilot?

00:20:38: You spend all your money on flying But for whatever reason you still don't think This Could be career.

00:20:45: is this?

00:20:46: do you think because of the way it was back then For women?

00:20:50: or what's this just mindset?

00:20:54: I think this was my mindset.

00:20:59: Never would be able to do something like that, you know?

00:21:04: But being now as a cabin member much closer the cockpit and it had kind of fascination especially at night The passengers were sleeping.

00:21:17: You sat down with guys in front.

00:21:21: It was...the atmosphere.

00:21:25: It's hard to describe.

00:21:26: I mean, you know it as you do in yourself.

00:21:28: Yes Yeah

00:21:30: And was really fascinating and then sometimes Going back to the cabin bright lights breakfast service with kind of shock But nevertheless i love being um flight attendant a part of this

00:21:44: yeah?

00:21:44: I mean Sorry yet.

00:21:47: Yeah You don't know.

00:21:49: but then it really that uh change happened on a layover in Saudi Arabia, in Jeddah.

00:21:59: There was female co-pilot.

00:22:01: she's still good friend of mine and we were lying there at the beach talking to know each other.

00:22:14: what you're doing with this flying BS why don't?

00:22:19: Are you gonna be kidding?

00:22:23: I'm already thirty-five.

00:22:24: I have no money, and she said... No!

00:22:29: She was one of the few Lufthansa pilots coming from a private school which is very rare because Luftheater usually only hires their people in their own schools.

00:22:49: So she said.. You need to go to my flight school Mr.

00:22:55: famous, Mr.

00:22:56: Zeltner and I said okay i have nothing to lose.

00:23:01: so after one flight that was coming from Hong Kong ,I took my car drove two hundred fifty kilometers to S-Mülheim.

00:23:08: this where there was a flight school was the famous FFL And I sat down with this Swiss guy and told him... I don't know something.

00:23:26: And then he looked at me and said only one sentence.

00:23:31: He said, well you want to sit as a grandmother on the bench... ...and cry or become a pilot?

00:23:44: It took like two seconds for him.

00:23:47: so I said okay rather than becoming a pilot!

00:23:52: Then i signed the papers went home called my parents.

00:23:55: they said ah you know.. ..I'm going to be a pilot now.

00:23:59: Are you crazy?

00:24:01: The sixteen years Lufthansa, You cannot give up the career.

00:24:04: Have a safe job!

00:24:06: You have to get big credit.

00:24:09: and nobody was really happy with my idea but I was in this moment so convinced that it is right thing now.

00:24:20: And thats what i did.

00:24:21: Very

00:24:22: good.

00:24:24: So you went through flight training and finished with CPL.

00:24:33: And then, how did it go from there?

00:24:37: What was back in those days as a woman to find the job with an airline.

00:24:45: I was actually quite lucky because first of all i continued flying full-time as a flight attendant and did flight school on that side.

00:25:01: That was quite fine.

00:25:01: I was the only one working, so i pinned my schedule on flight school and in my days off...I was flying!

00:25:07: On other day's rest of class were flying.

00:25:11: So at that same time we finished together with them which is really smart for us And then had to repeat an NDP approach in Dortmund.

00:25:27: At this point was flying for Augsburg Airways.

00:25:32: and then he said, do you have already a job?

00:25:34: And I said no.

00:25:36: He said ah!

00:25:37: You can go to the first floor in Dortmund through this tiny executive company and speak with the guy that i know who is also working as a student of this company.

00:25:48: so i went up and ten minutes later i had already my first job on a jet.

00:25:56: In Citation XL Nice,

00:25:58: nice.

00:26:00: Earning little money but they paid my type rating.

00:26:03: so that was awesome!

00:26:05: Yes absolutely okay.

00:26:07: So you start on this citation out of Dortmund I guess right?

00:26:12: Out Of Dortmund yes.

00:26:14: and what was the job like?

00:26:16: i guess flying a cetacean is corporate flying.

00:26:20: it's quite different to the airlines Right

00:26:24: yeah.

00:26:24: And for a start there were no...I think.

00:26:28: second citation in Germany, there were no supervisors.

00:26:33: There was nobody who could fly supervision with you.

00:26:37: so basically I had an empty schedule and just work at the office writing on some book doing some emergency trainings or other with other executive companies And flying wise it was getting me nowhere.

00:26:56: I thought okay, i have to move on as fast.

00:26:58: It's possible because i wanted To go back to an airline.

00:27:01: yeah on this for look turns i was much too old Because that time i was already Thirty eight something like that And then i started applying Of course For all airlines but there wasn't very bad times in aviation for pilots.

00:27:20: Sorry Nevertheless, i got Very lucky and i got my first the first officer job with everland.

00:27:26: Okay

00:27:29: My first face was the famous Paderborn.

00:27:32: What's

00:27:32: that, seven-three-seven?

00:27:34: That

00:27:37: was seven three-seven.

00:27:38: I started on the classic.

00:27:40: i was flying four hundred three hundred and also new generation.

00:27:45: seven three seven seven

00:27:47: eight hundred nice in part of one.

00:27:48: that sounds amazing though

00:27:54: yeah but three years later luckily munich station opened And then I could go back to Munich and thought, well...I made it.

00:28:02: Seventy-seven in Munich was the happiest girl you

00:28:08: can imagine!

00:28:08: Yes of course one day Eberlin closed down now?

00:28:17: Then a bitter day came with closed down again.

00:28:22: i was very lucky and moved right onto your ring.

00:28:27: Where are we still today?

00:28:29: and where were flying together?

00:28:30: luckily Absolutely.

00:28:33: Yeah, but not often enough I think?

00:28:35: No!

00:28:36: Well it's a big company.

00:28:37: so yes... So that is an incredible journey especially the fact you know we have lot of people here on the podcast at our pilots and they keep telling us yeah i wanted to do this since i was little child and blah blah blah..so your journey very different.

00:28:55: Since you are first female guest in our podcast get down to this a little bit.

00:29:02: Jürgen and I, before we invited you especially Jürgan he's much better researched than I am.

00:29:10: He looked into some of the figures in terms of female representation In the aviation industry And it still not great.

00:29:17: It is.

00:29:17: about five percent of pilots are females.

00:29:21: About two-three percent are captains So their numbers were very low.

00:29:28: I don't know how you perceive this today.

00:29:31: You might want to talk about it?

00:29:34: Today, nobody really cares whether a pilot is male or female.

00:29:39: You are judged by whether your good pilot or bad pilot but when you started off was different.

00:29:46: and do you see difference between back then for female pilots

00:29:51: ?

00:29:58: Quite huge differences I think, because when i started especially with Abelline it was a brand new company at that time.

00:30:07: There were lots of military captains joining us and most of them they're really great guys.

00:30:16: but also there are bunches of guys who let you know if god had wanted women to fly then the sky would be pink not blue where you sit, they used to lie my head and stuff like this.

00:30:34: You had to live?

00:30:35: Yes!

00:30:37: And I plenty of time said the German Jawohl answering in a military response... Of course he knew that you were entering male dominated area.

00:30:58: I guess my advantage is that time already was, not a youngster anymore so i wasn't really scared of the guys.

00:31:09: The CRM was for sure different than nowadays and this is big advantage in general speaking in Germany flying it's very good because the hierarchy also quite flat I think.

00:31:32: what changed much more actually are the passengers.

00:31:58: You saw, oh my God!

00:32:03: And this has changed completely now.

00:32:07: It's really fantastic and especially females nowadays say, Oh great today a woman is flying...and it has changed so much.

00:32:20: and its right.

00:32:23: This the biggest change I can see among the passengers.

00:32:29: No, that's interesting.

00:32:30: Very interesting!

00:32:32: So if I may take you back briefly when and where did you do your upgrade from first officer to captain?

00:32:40: I suppose it was Erbilin.

00:32:44: no i never took my chance in erbilin because To the upgraded ever then i had to go to berlin And with no chance ever In my rest of my flying life to return to New York.

00:33:02: So for me, it was not an option because that time I already had a boyfriend in Mallorca and I was commuting there and then sort of searched town...I cannot handle you know?

00:33:14: so i stood quite long as best officer at Munich And soon after we joined Eurings I went further fast-track command and luckily very soon.

00:33:27: Ah, very good.

00:33:28: Okay so do you think there's a big difference especially as a female pilot between being the captain and first officer?

00:33:40: Or Do You Think Especially these days it doesn't matter anymore because most captains really don't mind who is sitting next to them As long they can fly the plane?

00:33:51: I

00:33:54: think nowadays It Doesn't

00:33:57: Matter.

00:33:58: Anymore I think so.

00:34:01: For the first officers, you must know better than majority of guys how comfortable they feel with girls or women on their left hand side?

00:34:15: I don't know!

00:34:16: It's always a personal thing no?

00:34:19: Absolutely yeah... I think generally speaking Most first officers, I know they really don't mind.

00:34:27: It's all about are there nice to follow procedures?

00:34:31: All that stuff... That what you would expect!

00:34:36: One aspect actually i think often gets forgotten.

00:34:40: There is always this debate women earn less than men.

00:34:45: Aviation pretty much from the get-go Never had that discussion because we get paid by experience, by rank.

00:34:54: We're flying ours and the system really doesn't care whether you are male or female.

00:35:00: That's just what to get paid.

00:35:02: I guess it has always been like this.

00:35:05: correct me if i'm wrong?

00:35:11: Or imagine even a system where female pilots would get less money than male because it's all based on flying hours, right?

00:35:20: Your salary.

00:35:22: As far as I know you're absolutely correct and our business should be good example for the other businesses.

00:35:32: Yes i agree Because we are only paid by basically experience knowledge And how much we contribute to the whole thing.

00:35:42: you know exactly.

00:35:44: just being a human doing The job is good as we.

00:35:47: yeah,

00:35:48: exactly.

00:35:48: Exactly Okay.

00:35:50: so now that We've reached your life today I don't Know if You want To Talk A little bit About The Future.

00:35:57: So People That Have People That have That Are Good At Maths Will Know That He Was Not That Far Away From Retire.

00:36:09: What are Your Plans?

00:36:10: Do

00:36:11: You mean like me, yeah.

00:36:14: Do you think once I don't know how long your planning to fly and our longer wanna keep flying but wants the day comes when we have a last flight?

00:36:24: do you thinking gonna stay in touch with aviation or do just want completely switch off for what?

00:36:30: How are you look into the future right now?

00:36:35: well roughly I got two-and-a half years ago And then I will reach my sixty-five, and it'll be over if i want or not.

00:36:45: That's a legal requirement up to now!

00:36:52: It is a little pity because we are getting the seven three sevens again... ...I would never mind going back on the aircraft but surely there won't be any training for that.

00:37:01: There will obviously be waste of money.

00:37:10: In my heart Stay in aviation, but for sure I will not go to more airport and fly around in a session on the weekend.

00:37:22: I think Forty years forty five years in aviation it would be fine for me And probably i've been looking for new goals.

00:37:34: Okay so you're not done yet?

00:37:36: You still want to challenge yourself again.

00:37:40: maybe get back into work much more together with the Ninety-Nines, encourage young girls to come into our aviation world would be nice if a community grows also little bigger.

00:37:56: I don't know all of the colleagues.

00:38:00: i know they have children and you can not always have family as a female pilot so we should mention this yeah Don´t Be Scared it's uh great job.

00:38:14: Yeah, cannot think of anything better right now.

00:38:16: I

00:38:17: agree it's an amazing job.

00:38:19: It obviously comes with a lot of baggage and infringes on your private life but i do think the positives outweighed by far in my

00:38:32: opinion You can have.

00:38:36: Yes, exactly!

00:38:38: Exactly even if you watch the scary thunderstorm in front of you it's still kind of amazing right?

00:38:45: Absolutely absolutely

00:38:47: Right Yosefina

00:38:48: we've reached

00:38:49: The end of time that has given us and actually already gone slightly over.

00:38:53: so apologies for that.

00:38:57: Before I let you go, any final words?

00:38:59: Is there anything that you want to say maybe to young women or even guys who are listening and interested in becoming pilots.

00:39:08: Anything do you wanna tell them about it from your side?

00:39:14: First of all thank-you for inviting me today!

00:39:27: Yes, there's one thing I want to tell the young people out there.

00:39:33: You know it doesn't matter if you are having an idea as a child or something comes up in your mind later and you think oh i'm too old for plenty of things that you're never told!

00:39:48: And also have to be a little brave in life risked a bit in your life.

00:39:53: If you want do something out of me ordinary or break out and try something new.

00:40:02: You know, just go for it!

00:40:05: And if it works out even better?

00:40:08: If not the experience still will be super I guess... ...and i didn't know if it would work out.. For me.

00:40:18: I thought to do a theoretical part- if I pass it okay then might be that I'm able become pilot.

00:40:28: Flight attendant also very happy.

00:40:30: But at least I tried.

00:40:32: and the worst is if you never try, so just go for

00:40:37: it!

00:40:38: Perfect that's a great way to finish.

00:40:41: Josefine thank you so much for your time As as You know i always really enjoy flying with you.

00:40:49: i look forward To our next flight whenever That may be.

00:40:52: yeah wish you good flight today Josefina.

00:40:54: stay safe.

00:40:56: It stayed the way you are.

00:40:58: You know, your highly respected and well-beloved pilot within our company And yeah like.

00:41:06: once again thank you very much for your time and I wish you all the best.

00:41:09: Yeah

00:41:10: Hope to see you soon Stefan.

00:41:12: Thank you

00:41:13: Bye

00:41:14: bye!

00:41:16: Well a very grounded honest and motivating aviation conversation.

00:41:23: Many thanks again to Captain Josefini Schumann for joining us and thank you Stefan, for a really great interview.

00:41:32: Congratulations!

00:41:35: Oh, thank you.

00:41:36: Thank You.

00:41:37: it's always nice to talk to her as he can probably tell we are friends.

00:41:42: We fly together unfortunately not very often and I have a lot of Respect for us both.

00:41:49: the person under captain so was really nice to have on the podcast

00:41:54: and I mean Personally for me also one of the nicest messages from this episode For a lot of listeners, I guess there is no single timeline for entering aviation.

00:42:09: Also Josefine's career path is certainly outside any norm and it often times that way in your industry Stefan.

00:42:19: It is yes you said this once right if you sit on the cockpit then look to person next year Every single one of these people has a story to tell because the journey into the cockpit is never straightforward, very rarely it's straight forward.

00:42:37: And usually when you ask them so tell me how did he get into flying?

00:42:41: You open Pandora Box sometimes.

00:42:46: As far as I remember, this was the vision that led to our podcast.

00:42:51: Remember in summer or early summer of twenty-twenty five?

00:43:01: We will never run out of guests and hope these days...I'm knocking on wood here.

00:43:07: Yeah i agree usually people in aviation Not just innovation, but I found that we have been in aviation for such a long time.

00:43:18: Almost every single person of Matt has an interesting story to tell and yeah it just keeps it... Yeah!

00:43:26: Just keep it interesting.

00:43:28: And i love talking people from the industry.

00:43:31: By the way my personal linkedin It's like my name.

00:43:38: There is also a direct link below the teaser, so there are a direct links to my LinkedIn profile as well to Stefan's Discord server which has special subcategories for podcasts Both opportunities to write in if you want to be interviewed or If You have a guest for us, maybe some of your friends Or somebody from Your network.

00:44:05: You say hey!

00:44:06: You Have To interview them no work For you whatsoever just reach out for Us and we are.

00:44:12: Stefan is also our ongoing LinkedIn conversations here with Our guests.

00:44:17: I mean it's really Pretty approachable and straightforward, so an interview with us is really easy.

00:44:24: Always one of us.

00:44:25: it's a very easy going.

00:44:27: Yeah exactly we always want to hear from people.

00:44:31: We also want to talk to people.

00:44:33: So like Jürgen said if you wanna get in touch or even know someone You think would be interesting guests just let us know.

00:44:42: And uh...we'll see If can make this happen.

00:44:45: And speaking of LinkedIn, there is every Tuesday normally the LinkedIn version on our teaser.

00:44:51: This time with a nice photo we already received from Josefine.

00:44:57: and each Thursday afternoon I share normally condensed insight into my mental coaching syllabus for aviation professionals as they name it...I mean i coach pilots in mental performance and there's a little take away, a little freebie from my side also with an ice picture.

00:45:18: This is every Thursday afternoon.

00:45:20: so... There is something going on on LinkedIn not just the possibility to contact us but another possibility you could discuss and leave a comment.

00:45:31: very welcome certainly YouTube channel AviationQuest.

00:45:37: Aviation-Quest podcast.

00:45:39: now I got it already mentioned in the intro.

00:45:45: Exactly, yes and like Jürgen said we are happy to talk to people ,we want You know, to have to listen just the two of us before we really want someone else on board.

00:46:04: And like Jürgen said if you are interested in any kind of mental coaching without a whole episode about Jürgens he is the man who speaks super experienced and super competent.

00:46:17: so yeah get in touch!

00:46:20: Stefan once said to me, you should be a YouTuber Jürgen and I said no.

00:46:25: And i don't think that im a youtuber but if ive been a Youtuber please subscribe like us follow us leave our review or comment.

00:46:36: so Im not a youtuber..i dont say this.

00:46:42: yes what we

00:46:43: would have done You make us happy, so if you want to just make us.

00:46:50: Happy I'm not a youtuber i don't say things like this.

00:46:53: but uh If you wanna make as happy you can do

00:46:58: Exactly.

00:47:00: Okay.

00:47:01: well Jürgen um Well Like I said nice interview.

00:47:05: once again A big big thank you to Josefine for taking her time out between two flights To quickly talk to us.

00:47:13: And yeah, thanks to you again for organizing everything.

00:47:17: You were the technical wizard in the background and thank you everyone if your still listening for this podcast.

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